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Who's to blame for the continued failure of the Middle East peace process? Former President Bill Clinton said today that it is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- whose government moved the goalposts upon taking power, and whose rise represents a key reason there has been no Israeli-Palestinian peace deal.

Clinton, in a roundtable with bloggers today on the sidelines of the Clinton Global Initiative in New York, gave an extensive recounting of the deterioration in the Middle East peace process since he pressed both parties to agree to a final settlement at Camp David in 2000. He said there are two main reasons for the lack of a comprehensive peace today: the reluctance of the Netanyahu administration to accept the terms of the Camp David deal and a demographic shift in Israel that is making the Israeli public less amenable to peace.

"The two great tragedies in modern Middle Eastern politics, which make you wonder if God wants Middle East peace or not, were [Yitzhak] Rabin's assassination and [Ariel] Sharon's stroke," Clinton said.

Sharon had decided he needed to build a new centrist coalition, so he created the Kadima party and gained the support of leaders like Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert. He was working toward a consensus for a peace deal before he fell ill, Clinton said. But that effort was scuttled when the Likud party returned to power.

"The Israelis always wanted two things that once it turned out they had, it didn't seem so appealing to Mr. Netanyahu. They wanted to believe they had a partner for peace in a Palestinian government, and there's no question -- and the Netanyahu government has said -- that this is the finest Palestinian government they've ever had in the West Bank," Clinton said.

"[Palestinian leaders] have explicitly said on more than one occasion that if [Netanyahu] put up the deal that was offered to them before -- my deal -- that they would take it," Clinton said, referring to the 2000 Camp David deal that Yasser Arafat rejected.

But the Israeli government has drifted a long way from the Ehud Barak-led government that came so close to peace in 2000, Clinton said, and any new negotiations with the Netanyahu government are now on starkly different terms -- terms that the Palestinians are unlikely to accept.

"For reasons that even after all these years I still don't know for sure, Arafat turned down the deal I put together that Barak accepted," he said. "But they also had an Israeli government that was willing to give them East Jerusalem as the capital of the new state of Palestine."

Israel also wants a normalization of relations with its Arab neighbors to accompany a peace deal. Clinton said that the Saudi-inspired Arab Peace Initiative put forth in 2002 represented an answer to that Israeli demand.

"The King of Saudi Arabia started lining up all the Arab countries to say to the Israelis, ‘if you work it out with the Palestinians ... we will give you immediately not only recognition but a political, economic, and security partnership,'" Clinton said. "This is huge.... It's a heck of a deal."

The Netanyahu government has received all of the assurances previous Israeli governments said they wanted but now won't accept those terms to make peace, Clinton said.

"Now that they have those things, they don't seem so important to this current Israeli government, partly because it's a different country," said Clinton. "In the interim, you've had all these immigrants coming in from the former Soviet Union, and they have no history in Israel proper, so the traditional claims of the Palestinians have less weight with them."

Clinton then repeated his assertions made at last year's conference that Israeli society can be divided into demographic groups that have various levels of enthusiasm for making peace.

"The most pro-peace Israelis are the Arabs; second the Sabras, the Jewish Israelis that were born there; third, the Ashkenazi of long-standing, the European Jews who came there around the time of Israel's founding," Clinton said. "The most anti-peace are the ultra-religious, who believe they're supposed to keep Judea and Samaria, and the settler groups, and what you might call the territorialists, the people who just showed up lately and they're not encumbered by the historical record."

Clinton affirmed that the United States should veto the Palestinian resolution at the U.N. Security Council for member-state status, because the Israelis need security guarantees before agreeing to the creation of a Palestinian state. But the Netanyahu government has moved away from the consensus for peace, making a final status agreement more difficult, Clinton said.

"That's what happened. Every American needs to know this. That's how we got to where we are," Clinton said. "The real cynics believe that the Netanyahu's government's continued call for negotiations over borders and such means that he's just not going to give up the West Bank."

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JBIRDMENJ

8:41 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Peace terms

If the Palestinians announced today that they would forgo a "right of return" of Palestinian refugees to Israel, would agree that Israel can keep the Jewish quarter of the old city of Jerusalem, and would agree to negotiated changes to the 1967 borders as long as they receive the same value of land...

If Netanyahu didn't agree to that, the Israeli populace would elect someone who would.

However, since the Palestinians have not agreed to either forgoing the right of return nor recognizing any Jewish claims in "East Jerusalem", there cannot be peace.

 

JOHNBOY4546

1:10 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Err, point of order, JBIRDMENJ

The PLO is not insisting that all the Palestinian refugees must be allowed to return to Israel.

They are arguing something quite different i.e. that those refugees possess a RIGHT to return, and like all human rights that is a thing of some very considerable value.

And like all things of value they may be willing to sell it off, but you can't expect them to simply toss it in the bin.

"since the Palestinians have not agreed to either forgoing the right of return"

Once you recognize that the phrase "right of return" contains the magic word "right" then you see why your argument is so hollow i.e. if it is a "right" then it has "value", and so if you want them to relinguish it then you have to Make Them An Offer For It.

And the terms of that "offer" is a perfectly legitimate subject for negotiation, and should not something that should be a pre-condition for talks (in Bibi-talk the offer is this: Nothing, take it or leave it).

They don't want to go back to Israel - who would, it's full of zionists - but they do want Israel to acknowlege their RIGHT to return to their homes so that a fair and equitable compensation can be paid to them.

But Israel is offering them bubkis, and you are attempting to make a virtue of that obstinacy.

Why, exactly?

 

OTBROS

8:45 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Democrats are anti-Jewish

American Jews are waking up to the fact, as proven by the recent special election in NY-9, that the Democrat Party has really never represented their interests.

The last three American Democrat presidents (Carter, Clinton, Ob*ma) have never been friends of Israel. The Carter Center continues to receive millions from the Saudis. Ob*ma has never visited Israel as an American president, although he has visited many countries surrounding it, namely, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iraq, where he gave inflammatory speeches designed to hearten Israel's enemies.

In 2012, American Jewish pocketbooks will open for Republicans.

 

BUMBACLAAT

10:00 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Yeah, no Otbros that will never happen

American Jewish voters are not "single issue" voters. Everything does not lead to Israel. Opinion polls show that their major concerns these days are domestic concerns like the economy. Israel falls way down the list of issues after several others. Furthermore most American Jews support the two-state solution.

Secondly, most Jews know that Republicans are not really on their side and that's not going to change any time soon. Lunatic end-times fundamentalist Christians who think all Jews need to gather in Israel so they can all be killed unless they accept Jesus as their savior when armageddon comes is not really "support" is it...

 

PADRAIG68

10:02 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Democrats are anti-Jewish

~Democrats are not anti-Jewish they are pro equality in every sense of the word. This is not good news if you are the Israeli government. It means Democrats will want to seek equal rights and opportunity for the Palestinian people.
~Now you and I know that this is not right. Not all people are created equal. Israel has the divine right to its land and to preserve the status quo just like us Republicans on the religious right need to preserve the class structure in American society. It is so confusing when it comes to immigration though...especially as we business owners want to exploit cheap illegal labor while at the same time God forbid we have to give them any social benefits.
~Although one thing is for sure it takes at least 3 generations of missed 3rd level education to climb out of the lower classes so at least we can preserve this artificial barrier to wealth and opportunity.
~The Truth will set you free. Bill Clinton must not have received his cheque this month from the American Jewish Congress. Why is He suddenly speaking the truth, oh that's right he has nothing to lose. He is no longer bound hand and foot like most American politicians when speaking of Israel.
~Jewish Americans will continue to vote for Democrats because they see what freedom and equality does in a great nation. A great nation treats its neighbors with dignity and not disrepect. American Jewish Pocketbooks will no longer try to buy the American vote because it is no longer for sale when you have a US President emboldened by the "Truth"
~A generation of peace is being lost while Benjamin tries to change the goal posts. The goal posts have now moved in the wrong direction this week for Israel. Israel has been hijacked by the religious right and is straying towards the flame. I just hope it can recover and see the light. Justice is one of the most important themes among my Jewish American friends;However JUSTICE may proove to be a double edged sword for Israel. Remember strenght without justice is supression!

 

LEL2007

8:57 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Clinton Opinion?

Who in h ell gave this se x predator and lier, who was forced to resign in order to escape impeachment, the microphone?

 

FACT CHECKER

10:20 PM ET

September 22, 2011

You're not from this country, are you?

Clinton served 2 full terms as president from 1992 to 2000. The move to impeach him was defeated in the Senate in 1998.

 

LEL2007

10:37 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Mother, warn your daughters.

Clinton remains a s ex predator and a lier as well as unfaithful husband, disgraced and resigned to avoid impeachment for lying under oath. Had he not been elected president his sordid past would have caught up with him. Hillary stays with him to avoid the scandal and benefit from his political machine.

 

MAN_IN_PA

2:15 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton was indeed impeached

Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).

 

JOHNSAMO

4:15 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Your opinion

YOur memory is a bit faulty, or you're highly subject to suggestion by someone who is lying to you. Clinton DID NOT resign on order to escape impeachmnet? Nixon resigned. Clinton left office like most President, when the next one got elected.

 

JERKYL

7:27 AM ET

September 26, 2011

FACT CHECKER, you little Liar

The move to impeach Bill Clinton was NOT defeated. He was, in fact, impeached! Do you not know the process of government in the US? I think not, so you shouldn't try to sell your BS as truth, especially when trying to act like someone with an intellect.

What happens is that the House impeachs (which was successful), and then the Senate renders a decision based on the facts developed by the impeachment process, plus other items brought in during the trial of the President. What happened there, was that Clinton was not found guilty of specific facts surrounding his lying under oath. It was a fine line between what he was doing, and what the traditional meaning of the terms used to identify the lyiar in chief.

 

JAKARTAMAN

9:07 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Billy

This is not complicated.
The arabs want to wipe out the Israelis
You either are for the israelis survival or you are not.
I personally am not in favor of genocide.
I think the the arabs and their corrupt religion will be defeated as written in the bible.

Have a nice dat!

 

STOPTHEJUNK1

10:24 PM ET

September 22, 2011

bible = missionaria protectiva

The West's adoption of the Bible as a Christian text has been very beneficial for the Jews, especially the Zionists. Without this "religious engineering" - whether or not it was intentional is irrelevant, because it is effective - things would be very different. If millions of ignorant white westerners (Christians mostly) did not believe that the Jews were "God's chosen people," and did not believe that the Jews were bound to be persecuted and bound to keep Jerusalem and all of the other hokey-pokey nonsense, then world opinion would have long ago forced Jews to be far more reasonable with the Palestinians. In fact, Zionism probably never could have succeeded at creating (with the help of the believing, long-rifle-toting British) the state of Israel in the first place, at the expense of the land and property of 750,000+ people who were living there.

 

DONSEYE

9:16 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Clintons folly

What the X president has failed to see is that Israel was attacked numerous times and was victorious. Then the Arabs wanted their lost booty back. Booty that they themselves caused to be lost. The Israelis, ever vigilant for peace, gave back small portions only to be attacked from those very portions they used to barter for peace. Now Clinton says it is their fault the peace process does not go forward???
It never will.
I am personally looking forward to war because that is the ONLY language that the Arabs understand because of their twisted religious beliefs.
Israel will once again be victorious but much unnecessary blood will be spilled because of the hatred towards them.

 

STOPTHEJUNK1

10:29 PM ET

September 22, 2011

booty?

How did the Arabs "cause their booty to be lost?" By having it? You sound like the preachers who say that a rape victim who was wearing a short skirt and spiked heels or showing too much cleavage was "asking for it."

This has nothing to do with religion - except that without bible-thumping Christians in the West writing checks, Israel could not exist. It has everything to do with land and with racism - on both sides.

 

CURLY

9:16 PM ET

September 22, 2011

"But they also had an Israeli

"But they also had an Israeli government that was willing to give them East Jerusalem as the capital of the new state of Palestine." .... there''s the rub. No Israeli in his right mind would give up East Jerusalem. It's possible that the Israelis would allow Palestinians to enter Jerusalem, but there is no way that the Palestinians, if they controlled EJ, would allow Israelis free access. One of them already stated that there should be no Jews in a Palestinian state..... we have to remember who we're dealing with here....

 

BUMBACLAAT

9:33 PM ET

September 22, 2011

FACT: East Jerusalem is mostly inhabited by Palestinian Arabs

I don't think you are very well informed

FACT: The Palestinians offered the Israeli settlers to apply for Palestinian citizenship
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/pa-settlers-can-become-palestinian-citizens-1.276727

 

SUSAN_44033

10:13 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Comings and Goings and Stayings

There is no "might" about it. Palestinians are free to come and go from Israel as they please, including Jerusalem. They're given a good "assessment" when they do so but they are allowed to do it. This is not so of Israelis coming and going between Palestine. My first trip to Israel my guide couldn't take me to Bethlehem because he was an Israeli citizen. We had to have the hotel make arrangements for a Palestinian to pick me up and escort me. I'd bet our family farm that most people don't know this about that area. That Isreal offers far greater freedoms to Palestinians that they're afforded by Palestinians. The Palestinian peace negotiator may have said Israelis could stay in East Jerusalem, but I have very, very serious doubts about the sincerity. Their track record is not very good on keeping to peace terms. If they keep the terms does anybody seriously think Israelis/Jews would have a happy, equal life in a Palestinian state?

 

NYPDMOS

9:17 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Hamas

And Clinton didn't think that these Palestinians(Jordanian refugees) electing Hamas to office didn't hamper the peace process? BWT, MMmillian - you're an ass.

 

BADCO

9:26 PM ET

September 22, 2011

How do you spell lying

How do you spell lying scumbag??

Bill Clinton

 

BETH ROSS

9:30 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Clinton's Miodeast Peace analysis

The answer is in your statement, that even after all these years "I still don't know for sure, Arafat turning down the deal I put together that Barak accepted". For some, everything is not enough...but that all depends on what the meaning of everything is.

 

JACOB BLUES

9:43 PM ET

September 22, 2011

A way to solve President Clinton's conundrum

If, as President Clinton stated, that the Palestinians are now willing to accept the Camp David II offer made by Prime Minister Ehud Barak, then the best way to test their sincerity is to let them make that offer.

The reality is, Israel is the state that put up not one, but three offers which were all rejected by Palestinian governments. Indeed, the last one was in 2008 by then Prime Minister Olmert.

Meanwhile, over the past two years, PA President Mahmoud Abbas has refused to even sit down with PM Netenyahu.

Unfortunately, I don't believe the claims put forth by President Clinton over the Saudi plan. In truth, it's the Saudis and the rest of the Arab League I don't trust, seeing how the so-called Fahd plan was shredded during the Arab League meeting in Beruit back in 2003.

Now, fast-forward eight years later, and we see how Egypt doesn't even want to uphold its obligations from the peace treaty it did sign with Israel, and after Israel handed over the entire Sinai Penninsula 30 years ago all during which Egypt refused to follow a course of normalized relations with Israel.

Sorry, but at this time, and after all the violence, I don't trust the Arab states and people. And after every piece of territory that Israel has handed over to the Arab states, its time for them to extend some grand gestures of their own.

.

 

MTWILDMAN

10:00 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Clinton's arrogance

Blame BeBe, what a hillbilly. BeBe was placed into office by those that have the same desires as him, to have a Free Israel, without having to constantly watch the sky’s and their backs. Billy Boy, should America just give away Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico to the Drug cartails to make peace with the ruthless drug lords, knowing full well these people will never be satiated until they have it all. No, the only true answer to the problem is to move Palestine to an area of the M.E. that is Muslim controlled like lets say Saudi land. Yet , the Muslim does not want the Palestinian in their country either. It is and always has been a ruse to eliminate Israel. Go back to your Hillbilly life in Arkansas.The world would be better if you would stay out of the politics.

 

MICHAEL D

6:53 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton is just continuing

Clinton is just continuing the democrats policy of appeasement.

 

FPREADER95

10:11 PM ET

September 22, 2011

What an idiotic assertion!

I was born in 1973 and I'm really tired of hearing about Israel and the Palestinians. Why should I care about this? If the Jewish and Palestinian communities in America are so concerned about this issue, GO HOME! Quit dragging this non-American issue into our elections and foreign policy. This is a regional issue and only causes headaches for our foreign policy. Having said that, former President Clinton's assertion that Netanyahu is to blame is so blatantly absurd it cannot be taken seriously by critical thinkers. As a former President, how much blame should he have, "for the continued failure of the Middle East peace process..." or better yet, for not removing this stupid matter from the table. Additionally, his moronic claim that peace is threatened by, " a demographic shift in Israel that is making the Israeli public less amenable to peace." Yeah, that's called freedom and Democracy...if the people of Israel choose to not have peace, that's their choice as a sovereign nation. So again I must ask, why do we care about an idiotic regional issue that's been brewing for over a thousand years? Here's why: $3 billion to Israel and Egypt each, for how many years?? That money could have and should have gone to something better. Bill, you're just as much a part of this failure as the last string of idiots who sat in the Oral Office...ooops...I meant Oval, sorry Freudian.

 

DOGBERT41

10:32 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Typical narcisist

How many speaches, comments, statements do we have of George Washington post presidency? NONE.

Same goes down the line until Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

They started a precident that will haunt us till the day we are in the dustbowl of history.

Somebody, please shut this serial rapist up!

 

VITAGLUBET

10:34 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Clinton Credibility

There is plenty of evidence that both Bill and Hillary are pathological liars. There is also plenty of evidence that the Arabs have said "no" to all offers for statehood for both countries. Those of you who want Israel to disappear have not looked at the facts. Stop with the hatred.

 

RADII

10:38 PM ET

September 22, 2011

jews can stay zionists must go

what you israel-first hasbarists don't understand is most of the world, and even the Palestinians who had their land invaded and homes stolen or razed are willing even now to live in peace alongside jews - it is a matter of what the place is called, what flag flies where, and how it is governed ... now it is a jews-first-jews-only autocracy that humiliates and punishes the locals for existing and being there ... you must be good neighbors to have good neighbors and zionists are evil, land-grabbing militarists intent on driving out all of the indigenous people ... jews who want to live there in peace are welcome to stay - zionists are wanted by nobody

 

VITAGLUBET

12:11 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Jewish State

The Palestinians don't accept the concept of a Jewish State.

 

RADII

10:35 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Netanyahu has killed many many Palestinian children too

Clinton's deal gave no air rights, no water rights - it was a travesty ... the Palestinians are much better off on their own the with the US as an "honest broker" when the US is merely a Host to a nefarious controlling parasite known as zionists ... the US has never put forth a deal that was not stacked 80/20 for israel ... the demographics of israel now see that country devolving utterly into a crass, racist, mafia state that celebrates murder by indoctrinating their children into it and lets their settler terrorists now run the show

 

MIKEINBOSTON

10:36 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Shut your pie hole, Bubba.

At the conclusion of WWI, as Turkey’s Ottoman Empire was being dissolved, the area - NOTE: the AREA, not the COUNTRY - known as Palestine was placed under British mandate.

In 1920, and because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in Palestine since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine.

In 1923, to placate the Arabs, the British divided Palestine into two administrative districts when they "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan. 

Henceforth, Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan River.

The territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) and re-named Trans-Jordan.

In other words, the eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all connection to the name “Palestine”!

However, the bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland. 

However, sharing was not part of the Arab psychological makeup.

The 1947, U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Palestinian State and a SECOND Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. 

The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab Palestinians rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east AND west of the Jordan River.

As any non-prejudiced, open-minded study of the Middle-East region verifies:

There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

There has never been a country called Palestine.

These so-called “Palestinians" - i.e., Arabs - already HAVE a home land.

It was given to them by the British.

It`s called “Jordan.”

On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

 

RADII

10:46 PM ET

September 22, 2011

and Sharon said "we control the US and they know it"

so what?

quotes can fly all day to support any position.

The FACTS are that an indigenous population was living in the area called Palestine for centuries before the zionist terrorists and mafias showed up to ethnically-cleanse them from their land and homes ... the borders have been artificial from the beginning - what is needed is law that is respected and followed that provides equal rights and due process and now there is a racist, apartheid regime known as israel

everybody can live there, in peace - remember the 30s? - but that means those with grand visions of conquest and domination must give them up ... it's called SHARING and zionists find this concept anathema

 

JROTHWELL

6:49 AM ET

October 1, 2011

MikeinBoston way off base

You are right to say that the Zionist originally asked for all of what is now Israel, the West Bank and Jordan, however, the rest is make make believe hog wash pure and simple. The Palestinians and Jordanians were and are very different ethnically speaking. Jordanians (especially as represented by the Hashimite monarchy) are of bedouin and semi-nomad ethnic stock, while the Palestinians (like the Syrians and Lebanese) are of more mixed Levantine ethnic stock, and are more urban, educated and settled in their agricultural economy. The infamous Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj amin el-Husseini had reddish blonde hair and blue eyes... not exactly what you would think of as "Arab" features. When the Jordanians took control of the West Bank (and the Palestinian refugees that came with it) following the 1948 war, it fundamentally altered the political landscape of Jordan. The new citizens were fundamentally different then the traditional Jordanian political base. The only reason King Abdullah was able to maintain control was because of the inherent loyalty and strength of the bedouin-recruited Arab Legion.

Secondly, to say that the British "gave" Tranjordan to the Arabs is devious to the point of stupidity. They "gave" the Hashimite family permission to rule over its inhabitants, not that country to the Arab people. It would be like me giving you permission to live in YOUR house. You already live there, as the Arabs ALREADY were living Transjordan. When it came to Palestine, however, the British DID GIVE the country to the Zionist Jews in spite of the fact that there were more then a half million natives already living there. The British in effect gave something away that was not theirs to give... you cannot get around that point. Was there an existing Palestinian state there in 1917... no, but then again few peoples in what we refer to as the Third World in 1917 could claim they possessed an independant state. Nationalism, by and large, did not infect the Third World until after the Second World War. The Zionist Jews (who were and are of European stock) caught the nationalist bug far sooner, but that doesn't give them the greater claim to what is now Israel and the West Bank. You sir have obviously never lived at length in the Arab world.

 

YANKEV

11:11 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Bill Clinton as truthful as ever

The same man who looked us in the eye and said that he never had an affair with Monica Lewinsky.

And that a 3 day waiting period for buying handguns, along with mandatory child safety locks, would have prevented an unsupervised 7 year old kid living illegally in a crack house with his drug dealer uncle from shooting his classmate with the uncle's pistol.

And that Arafat was a man of peace.

And that the PLO had amended its charter so as no longer to be devoted to Israel's destruction.

How soon we forget.

 

SWM

11:33 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Why does this man get any repsect?

He was impeached for lying under oath. He and his wife should both be in prison for the Whitewater affair. He gave our missile secrets to China in exchange for campaign contributions. He disgraced the office of the President. He and his wife both should receive nothing but scorn and derision for the rest of their lives.

 

RADII

11:55 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Bushes had their own far worse sex scandals

right-wing trolls keep bashing Bill Clinton and his only fault was being the kid with his hand in the cookie jar and lying obviously - he could have just said "none of your damn business" the same way Bush Sr. did when confronted by media about his affair (which really happened) ... and George Bush Sr. also had underage orphans and runaways being brought to the White House for late-night visits (to whom?) - which led to FBI investigations and deaths ... and under George W. Bush there was the famous Talon News "journalist" Jeff Gannon getting to throw softball (no pun intended) questions to the president when he wasn't a journalist at all but a gay male hustler that Karl Rove was writing special day press passess for (since he wasn't a properly-accredited journalist) and Gannon (nee James Guckert) was also logged in White House registry as having overnight visits .... Republicans are no beacons of moral virtue ... pretty much ALL politicians are monomaniacal egotists who lust for fame and power

 

VITAGLUBET

12:13 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Pathetic

Pathetic

 

MAN_IN_PA

2:23 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton committed perjury and obstruction of justice

Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).

This is much different than merely having his "hand in the cookie jar."

 

SUSAN_44033

2:38 PM ET

September 23, 2011

RADII, you're sick.

I've been reading your comments and earnestly trying to glean some sort of "other side" position from them, as misinformed and clearly prejudicial as they are. But this last post about Bush having orphans brought into the White House, a Gannon/Rove love affair, and so forth really shows that I'm wasting my time trying to give any credence to what you say. If there is any teeny, tiny bit of injustice being done to the Palestinians at the hands of Israel, I sincerely hope they have a better ambassador than you. Maybe you should stay out of the debate because you don't help their cause at all. You need help.

 

TIMOTHY D. NAEGELE

11:47 PM ET

September 22, 2011

Bill Clinton is 100 percent correct

I have seldom agreed with Bill Clinton in the past, and I did not vote for him. However, I agree completely with his conclusions in this article.

Netanyahu has painted Israel into a corner, as the most hated country in the world. My guess is that neither former Israeli Prime Ministers Ariel Sharon nor Yitzhak Rabin would have done this.

Clearly, Netanyahu is the most dangerous and irresponsible leader that Israel has ever had. He was hated by Sharon and Yitzhak Rabin—and especially by Rabin’s wife Leah, who blamed Netanyahu for her husband’s assassination. She saw “only doom for the Israeli-Palestinian peace process” with Netanyahu at Israel’s helm; and her views were prescient.

See http://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/israels-senseless-killings-and-war-with-iran/ (see also the footnotes and all of the comments beneath the article)

 

CONANTHEREPUBLICAN

1:28 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton

Hey, Foolbert... listen up. The ONLY reason Israel is the "most hated nation on earth" (it's not, in reality...YOU just hate it) is because the SOVIET UNION thru it's proxies in the Middle East made it so, and NO OTHER REASON. Propaganda, pure and simple. Bibi N is the ONLY one with a BRAIN that knows what's going on, and can save Israel from her enemies.

 

ORALCLINTON

11:56 PM ET

September 22, 2011

clinton, obama and carter - ALL JEW HATERS !!

Arafat's BFF, Mr Oral Clinton .....thinks he is the World's Big Sh*t !!

Stuffing MILLIONS in his back pockets, Mr. Oral Clinton ....goes around the World playing Mr Stud Muffin .....while Hillary runs herself ragged trying to make sense of Obama's seat of the pants Foreign Policy !!

Mr Oral Clinton failed Israel and Jimmy Carter failed Israel ...so the 2 Buffons are passing the buck to Obama ....so he can fail Israel too.

Mr. Oral Clinton is Silvio Berlusconi's ......Bonga-Bonga Front Man !!!

The only accomplishment of Mr. Oral Clinton is that he taught the World that CIGARS were not necessarily made to be smoked !!

Go Smoke a Cigar, Mr. Oral Clinton and GET OUT OF BIBI'S WAY !!

 

AMERICANEAGLE

12:34 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Bill Clinton blames Netanyahu

Is there anyone out there other than mind-numbed DemocRATS who believes anything Bill Clinton says? This guy is a convicted prevaricator who will say anything that serves him at the time. The proof lies in the founding charters of all the Palestinian organizations that dominate that community - which all call for wiping Israel off the map. As President Bill Clinton would know this, yet he was trying to force a solution on Israel that would have led to its destruction. All Netanyahu did, who is far smarter than any of these DemocRAT hacks is ensure that Israel's interests will be protected.

 

WILLISONCE

12:38 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton?

Is this the Clinton that illegally sold missle technology to the Chinese for massive illegal campaign contributions? Wait, this is the one that the media has deemed the wise elder statesman, sorry.

Anyone that takes this treasonous bastard seriously is just plain stupid.

Having said that, I wish his wife was president right now, but then, picking any random name out of any random phonebook in the country would be better that what we currently have.

Run Hillary, run!!!

 

REDWOOD509

12:45 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton dissing Bibi

A simplistic and utterly sloppy stenographic record from a serial prevaricator.
1. When Clinton got tired from Bibi he dispatched his election hit squad, Stan greenberg, carville and others to the Dan Hotel in tel-Aviv to fashion for Ehood Barak a campaign platform to depose Bibi. This was an elegant putch, instigated by an American president, desparate to achieve something for legacy-instead he ended with egg on his face.
Recently the same Stan Greenberg with American money helped to set the civic insurrection by the demented Left, purchasing tents and sound systems, which produced very little. The fact is that Bibi never once came down to speak to the agitators, armed with Alinsky's Rules For Radicals Manual who could have achieved more by trashing les the entire urban centers of the country. Why when the Left leaves an event there is dirt and garbage all over the place?

2. The discredited and shameless President Clinton, does not own up to the fact that he hosted international terrorist, Yasser Arafat ( filmed by Romanian Intelligence with young men, in his wired hotel room during one of many visits to Bucharest on behalf of the KGB, check with Mr. Pacepa, a former Intel officer, now resident of the U.S), some 30 times in the White House. He was utterly clueless and naive about the whole mindless Oslo agreement. He never explains in his questionable presentation what did he get for all these empty gestures with this two bit terrorist?
3.Rogin fails to challenge the "Clinton Narrative" regarding the lack of credibility of the two offers made by Barak and Olmert. What ever they offered could not be implemented. Both Israelis and Arabs could not live nor abide with the offers that were made. It could never pass approval by the Israeli voters.
4. When Clinton fictionalizes the Sharon story he goes way beyond any truth, to the point where he now treads on the meaning of "IS". Utterly disingenius. Kadima was a phony party that could not survive, in fact , its corrupt and disreputable leaders are utterly inconsequential, none have any stature or name recognition in the country. When they were tested under fire, (Leabanon, Shalit) 2006, they failed. As a Secretary of State Tzipi Livni, like Mme. Clinton is a certified failure. No achievments, zero energy, lots of noise making, screaming and forgetable track record. Her endless hectoring and screaming in the Knesset make Israeli women bllush, she gives the Mossad a bad name! She gives her parents, former ranking members of the Irgun, a klop in the kopp! Her father would have been utterly disgusted with her conduct, this I say as one who knew many of these characters. To imagine that Kadima, could fashion a peace deal is an utter subversion of the truth. Perhaps Arik could have pulled a deal, but not the clowns Clinton is talking about. What Clinton does now own up to is the fact that Arik left Gaza and Israel got some 300 rockets in the following months.

In conclusion, these notes are in no way a defense of Bibi, (whose father was one of the great minds of the time hlping Zeev Jabotinky, fashioning thephilosophy of the Irgun out of N.Y during the war) he got his problems,. To be charitable, Citizen Clinton is good at rewriting history. As a grifter, he never had any shame making up stories. The left is good at dreaming up new realities at a moment's notice.

 

CRICKETT6519

1:07 AM ET

September 23, 2011

clinton

we are missing the big picture. Clinton has one goal to get his wife elected president for his legacy. Economy has failed and Obama is going to lose. This move to blame the jews is to have them stay home during the 2012 elections. Hillary in 2016, one reason, the enconomy would recover till 2018, and the republician president will be vulnerable

 

THE EUROPEAN

1:19 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Jews, Israelis, Churchill and the Democratic Party

The word "Jews" have a different meaning than the adverb "Israelis," something Americans do not clearly comprehend.
The modern Jewish saga originated in Europe hence we know quite a bit of related history.

Let's quote Churchill:

Zionism versus Bolshevism.
A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People
By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.

Illustrated Sunday Herald February 8, 1920, page 5
http://ajedrez_democratico.tripod.com/Zionism-versus-Bolshevism.htm

Churchill broke up the Jewry into several groups:
1. "Internationalist" (Marxist/Bolsheviks) struggling for a "Universalistic" world without nation states, religion, distinct ethnicities ...as Marx suggested in his theses, "On the Jewish Question" 1843.
These people are the "multikultist", diversity a.k.a. "Cultural Marxist" crowd, Leftist, anti-Israeli Democratic Party members - including Jews like Soros and his coterie.
The majority of American Jewry is hard Leftist like Jstreet.

2. The opposite end are the "Nationalists" (Zionists) dreaming of a homeland, their own indigenous language, culture, incorporating the majority non-Anglo Jewry like Mizrahim (Eurasians) Sephardim (Iberia) and East European/Russian Holocaust survivors.

There is no bridge between the two: Diaspora Jews are "Jews", blending into the host country political frame, serving the Obama/Clinton administration even against Israel.
Zionist wants to prevail in a radical, murderous backward surrounding and they must fight or else - the new ovens are firing up.

Clinton's and the Anglo-Jewry have no sway over Eurasian Israelis.

 

DKAAG

1:23 AM ET

September 23, 2011

It's Netanyahu's Fault..

Yeah Bubba,you pathetic caricature of an "elder statesman", it's Netahyahu's fault. Forget the neophyte failed President who has unabashedly ruined the U.S.' long friendly relationship with the only genuine democracy in the Middle East and the "able" assistance of your lovely wife the Secretary of State in orchestrating the same, right? Forget the both of them encouraging the "Arab Spring" revolt in Egypt, the breaking of Turkish/Israeli relations with, and the increasing isolation of, Israel. What's going to happen here, Bubba, is that either Iran will finally field their nuke and use it on Israel or the surrounding Arab states will once again attack that little nation conventionally, and when they do the Israelis, who are not kidding when they declare "never again", and at this point do not expect U.S. help, will nuke Damascus, Cairo, Alexandria, Baghdad, Amman, Ryiad, the Islamic Holy cities of Mecca and Medina and Tehran. And it will all be "Netanyahu's fault", sure.

 

CONANTHEREPUBLICAN

1:24 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton Netanyahu

The former Leader of the Free World, famous for waddling around the Oval Office, the Temple of Democracy with his pants around his ankles, actually has something to say? Why hasn't this guy SHOT himself yet? Clinton set all the conditions necessary for the 9-11 attacks to happen. He INCUBATED it, and it only hatched in the Bush Administration. Why does ANYONE listen to this fool anymore? Just like Jimmy Carter, the Originator of Jihad on Earth with deposing the Shah of Iran. These people should just retire in shame, and pray no one finds them.

 

RBARNESROL

1:24 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Clinton wonders if God wants peace?

Of course God wants us to live in peace. But, He wants an undivided Jerusalem.
The prophet Zechariah says there will be a day when all nations will battle against Jerusalem. On that day the Lord Himself will battle on her behalf and set up His kingdom . His will rule from Jerusalem.
For those of you who believe in the Bible, you can see that for yourselves in the book of Zechariah.
For those of you who do not believe in the Bible, IF this happens in your lifetime, you, along with Bill Clinton, will be angry with those not willing to give away huge chunks of what God has established as the land of Israel and , therefore, you might make the horrible mistake of being on the wrong side ! I pray you will not get this one wrong.....
God says (these are not my thoughts...these thoughts are in the book of Zechariah) He will destroy those who come against Jerusalem (14:12). Read chapters 12 through 14 for yourself and see how you would interpret this.

 

John Hudson reports on national security and foreign policy from the Pentagon to Foggy Bottom, the White House to Embassy Row, for The Cable.

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