Tuesday, May 24, 2011 - 4:43 PM
The right of Jews to return to the Arab and predominantly Muslim countries they fled from or were kicked out of over several decades could be "on the table" as part of the Middle East peace negotiations, according to a senior White House official.
Ben Rhodes, the deputy national security advisor for communications and President Barack Obama's chief speechwriter on foreign policy, talked about what's known as the "Jewish right of return" during an off-the-record conference call with Jewish community leaders on May 20, only one day after Obama's major speech on the Middle East. A recording of the call was provided to The Cable.
In response to a question asking why there is a great deal of focus on the Palestinian refugee issue but almost no focus on the Jews who departed Arab lands, Rhodes declared that the Israelis and Palestinians should negotiate on the Jewish right of return to Arab and Muslim countries and that the United States could play in role in mediating that issue.
Here's the full exchange:
"While Palestinian refugees have concerns that are understandable and need to be dealt with in the peace process, there was no reference in the president's speech to the approximately one million Jewish refugees that emerged from the same Middle East conflict. I'm talking about Jews from Arab and Muslim countries who were forced out of their homelands where they had lived for centuries," said B'nai B'rith International Director of Legislative Affairs Eric Fusfield.
"The international community has never acknowledged their rights and their grievances," Fusfield continued, "[C]an the U.S., as the peace process move forward, play a role in advancing the rights and concerns of these Jewish refugee groups and help ensure that as refugee issues are dealt with... that the focus will not just be on one refugee group but on all refugee groups emerging from the same conflict?"
Rhodes responded: "Certainly the U.S., in our role, is attuned to all the concerns on both sides to include interests among Israel and others in Jewish refugees, so it is something that would come up in the context of negotiations. And certainly, we believe that ultimately the parties themselves should negotiate this. We can introduce ideas, we can introduce parameters for potential negotiation."
"We believe those types of issues that you alluded to could certainly be a part of that discussion and put on the table and it's something that we would obviously be involved in."
The issue of refugees can be a confusing one. GOP Presidential candidate Herman Cain said on May 21 that the Palestinian refugees' right of return was "something that should be negotiated." Cain later admitted that he didn't fully understand the issue.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the argument that Palestinian refugees have the right of return to Israel in his Tuesday speech before a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress.
"[T]he Palestinian refugee problem will be resolved outside the borders of Israel," he said. "You know, everybody knows this. It's time to say it. It's important."
But neither Obama nor Netanyahu mentioned the Jewish right of return in any of their speeches or remarks over the past few days.
Noah Pollak, the executive director of the Emergency Committee for Israel, said that the Jewish right of return is actually not an issue that's part of the peace negotiations, largely due to the fact that a) there are no Jewish refugees, and b) they don't have any desire to claim lands in Arab states.
"I would like to congratulate the administration for even-handedness, but in fact there are no Jewish refugees today. That's because the Jews who were expelled from Arab countries have been citizens of Israel for decades, where they live in freedom and prosperity," he said.
Muslims in Israel don't constantly fear for their safety. Jews (or Christians) in Muslim countries live in constant peril. Simply put, Muslims like to kill Jews. It's just how they are.
Actually, it is not a big difference. You are discussing the Palestinians of 1948 as if they were their own nation with their own state. In reality, they did not have a state then nor at any other point in history, and as the Palestinians until fairly recently have claimed, they were part of the Muslim nation. At that point most of the Palestinians (as they do today as well) lived under the control of the Jordanians.
Jews were in fact expelled from Muslim countries, both before and after 1948. However, roughly a million Jews were expelled after 1948, while under half a million Palestinians chose to leave Israel upon its declaration of independence. You may ask yourselves why they chose to do this. The answer is well documented, which is that the surrounding Muslim countries (who declared war on the infant state) assured the Palestinians that they would push the Jews into the sea and that shortly thereafter they would return to their homes. Some Palestinians chose to stay, and guess what happened to them? Yep you got it, they got Israeli citizenship, minus the requirement to fight alongside their countrymen in defending the state that provided them with the most rights they had ever experienced. The failure of the Arab nations who waged this war to fulfill their promise is the reason why Israeli Independence Day is called the Nakba by the Palestinians (the Tragedy, because they failed to fulfill their goals).
Additionally, the other Arab states who choose to refuse to make peace with Israel because of the Palestinian "refugees" by the same token should not have that right, because A) its not their issue and B) they should allow the Jewish refugees whom they had expelled in '48 return or compensate them for the BILLIONS in lost property.
Why don't you see a Jewish refugee problem? It's not because it doesn't exist, but rather because those Jewish refugees had a state embrace them as brothers immediately, that state is the State of Israel. Unlike the Arab world which chose to perpetuate a refugee problem as a means to undermine the legitimacy of Israel at the expense of innocent Palestinians.
Quick! What do Nazi propaganda and Zionist "hasbara" have in common?
Answer - Menachem Begin. Or at least that's how Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook and 26 other leading Jewish intellectuals wrote us in a warning letter concerning Begin, Irgun, Deir Yassin, and the Palestinian plight; this in a letter sent to the NYTimes in 1948......which is also a time when memories of these events are very fresh.
What they saw is exactly what anyone rational would expect when sending European nationalists to a country they not only had never set foot in, but who demanded that those who live there should abandon to them homes and orchards they insist are theirs due a brief period nearly 3,000 years ago when David supposedly carved for himself a kingdom in Canaan they knew as "Israel". And even there, in short order that one became fractured, splitting off into another territory they called Judah.
Today, and contrary to claims later made by Golda Meir regarding the non-existence of a "Palestinian people", the millions of other people who had long since called the area "home" were there living and working the lands that they, as Arabs, had now been occupying for more time than the brief period of Jewish control that Zionists now use as evidence attesting to their claim of ownership despite the more obvious fact that 99.9% of them had never laid on eyes or even set foot in Palestine.
And I suppose it's a testament to the power that nationalism has on the conservative/authoritarian personality (RWA - Altemeyer et al) that immediately after the Nazi's had held up "liebensraum" as a rationale for Nazi occupation of lands held by Germanic tribesmen many centuries ago, thereby initiating a war whose culmination would have lessons regarding territorial claims based on religious mysticism, ethnic and racial purity, and favoritism among supernatural forces that I would think Jews of all people on the planet would have so deeply burned into their psyche they would immediately run from situations where actions like that are being promoted as viable and reasonable in todays post-colonial, post-Holocaust, and one would hope, post-Zionist world community!
But no!!!! Zionist leaders back home in Europe began sending Jewish militants (like Begin and Jabotinsky) who soon began brutalizing not just the Arabs whose land they wanted, but even other Jews whose higher education or increased perception of deviance in others was enough to have them confront rather than submit to the threats these newcomers made.
And as Albert Einstein tried to warn us a couple years later, the Massacre at Deir Yassin under the leadership of Begin's Irgun terror squad, his pre-war orations on the virtues of fascism plus the evils of liberal democracies /should/ have been enough for Israeli's to reject him as a leader.
But I suppose the extremely effective campaign to distort the many ugly events and deeds eventually leading to the creation of a Jewish state in 1947-8 , was already working away on a sanitized version to teach new generations and recent alliyah arrivals who might be unfamilar with those events. Given Einstein's warning in '48 that powerful US Zionists seemed uninterested in the truth, as well a reference to Begin's targetting of powerful politicians here in the US whom he could easily sell on the idea that should the state of Israel succeed using US help, it would show it's gratefulness by becoming a reliable US proxy against Soviet agression in the M. East. Given the extremely early date the NYTimes (owned by Zionist Sulzberger's) is revealed to have already begun distorting events in the Middle East so that a pro-Israeli view-point dominate here in the US, I suppose that is really all someone needs to know so they can make sense Pali and Muslim actions that never really made any sense when explained simply as "Muslim hatred of our freedoms" or Islamic jihadists whose anti-Semitic rants are really going against people whom the Likud-niks claim are offering them jobs, homes, educations, and equality under Israeli law --- "all things Muslims never had when ruled by fellow Islamists like themselves!"
Have these people simply never learned that whenever one is forced to make things up or lie in order to promote a particular point-of-view on someone or thing...then that is a signal their POV is a poor one; and that having so few good things to say about it means the POV is no longer one worth defending or even having at all! And that an immediate switch to another view should be taken, no matter the backlash from those who will always insist on conforming to standard view despite their being right or wrong.
So Israel and the PALESTINIANS have to negotiate....
..... regarding the fate of Jews who were kicked out of Tunisia?
How does that work, exactly?
After all, while I don't dispute that Israel can negotiate on behalf of (ex)Tunisian Jews, I would suggest that the country that Israel would need to negotiate with would be..... Tunisia.
After all, I don't think anyone has any evidence that the Palestinians sent an expeditionary force into Tunisia in 1948 with orders to "chase out the Jews".
They had other, more pressing matters to attend to in 1948.....
Yeap, Palestinians did zero agitating in Arab countries
For instance, the Mufti has nothing to do with the anti-Jewish laws passed in Iraq in the 30s. He also had nothing to do with the Farhud there. He also most certainly did not go from country to country stirring up anti-Jewish feeling. As you said in 1948 he was too busy failing to kill the 600,000 odd Jews in the Yishuv.
But if you can rewrite the Battle of Britain and deny what is on the official RAF site then the sky is the limit.
PS these guys dont look terribly Thai to me:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4078506,00.html
What Israeli Jew from an Arab country wants to trade Israel for any Arab country which are much poorer? Where they are not liked any more than Arabs are liked in Israel and where they will not get the massive subsidies we lavish on Israel, even spending trillion$ smashing Iraq for them.
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