Thursday, April 28, 2011 - 1:42 AM

As the United States debates the future of its role in Afghanistan, anti-U.S. rhetoric in both Pakistan and Afghanistan is on the rise. Now, a small cadre of officials in Washington and Islamabad are doing their best to get the embattled U.S.-Pakistan relationship back on track.
The most recent public evidence of this phenomenon came Wednesday, when the Wall Street Journal reported that Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani "bluntly told Afghan President Hamid Karzai that the Americans had failed them both," in a recent meeting and that Karzai "should forget about allowing a long-term U.S. military presence in his country."
The article explained that the information on the meeting came from pro-U.S. elements in Karzai's camp, who apparently wanted to scare the Obama administration into speeding up negotiations on a long-term strategic partnership agreement with Karzai. That agreement could provide for U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan after 2014, when President Barack Obama has said the transition to Afghan security will be complete.
Senior U.S. and Pakistani officials, in interviews with The Cable, said they could not confirm the exact quotes attributed to Gilani but doubted that he would criticize the United States in such stark terms to Karzai. However, officials on both sides of the relationship said that Gilani, along with large parts of the Pakistani government bureaucracy, were now preparing for an endgame in Afghanistan that doesn't include a U.S. military role and doesn't accord with U.S. expectations for the region's future.
"Major international military involvement in Afghanistan is drawing to a close, so everybody is adapting to that," a senior U.S. official said. The official noted that this included the Pakistanis, who are forging a bilateral relationship with Karzai that is independent of the United States. "Everyone is trying to position themselves as to what they think is in their best interests. But at the end of the day, the overlapping interest is a stable Afghanistan."
Referring to the Wall Street Journal story about the Karzai-Gilani meeting, the U.S. official said, "The Afghans may be signaling that bad things can happen if they don't get what they want in the strategic partnership agreement."
A senior Pakistani official told The Cable that the alleged statements by Gilani were unlikely, but that there is a basic disagreement between the U.S. and Pakistani governments about the way forward in Afghanistan.
"American policy seems to be they want to continue to fight while trying to talk [with the Taliban]," the Pakistani official said. "The Pakistani preference is for the negotiations to take priority."
It's true that many other countries -- including China, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia -- are also discussing the endgame in Afghanistan with the Pakistani government, but Pakistan does not believe that the crucial role played by the United States can be replaced by another power.
"As long as the Americans play straight with Pakistan and take into account Pakistani concerns, Pakistan would rather work with the U.S.," the senior Pakistani official said.
Of course, that opinion is not universally shared inside the Pakistani government. Elements of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, the country's primary spy agency, and the Pakistani military are still resisting cooperation with the United States and maintaining ties to groups fighting against U.S. forces.
Weeks of discord related to the killing of two men who were allegedly ISI agents by CIA contractor Raymond Davis brought cooperation to a halt, both on intelligence and diplomatic matters. A major trilateral Afghanistan-Pakistan-U.S. meeting was cancelled and the ISI-CIA relationship was temporarily frozen.
The U.S. and Pakistani governments are now starting to set relations back on course. The new Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman will travel to Pakistan in early May for a trilateral meeting with his Afghan and Pakistani counterparts. If all goes well, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton could travel to Islamabad in late May, although nothing is set in stone.
Inside the Pakistani government, three key officials who deal with the United States recently had their tours extended until 2013: Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, ISI Chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, and Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S. Husain Haqqani. All three are considered to be constructive interlocutors with the United States and are seen as key to mending U.S.-Pakistan relations.
However, there are fundamental differences between the United States and Pakistan that ensure the relationship between the two countries will never be entirely smooth sailing. The Pakistani official said that some level of discord is to be expected as Pakistan looks out for its own interests in a post-war Afghanistan.
"Pakistan has never been able to get what it wants in Afghanistan, but it will never give up trying," the official said.
There's also the issue of the United States' alliance with India, Pakistan's arch-rival. Though the Obama administration feels it has bent over backwards to give Pakistan aid and high-level attention, the government in Islamabad still feels that it plays second fiddle to India in eyes of the Washington.
In the end, the U.S. relationship with Pakistan may never be as important as Washington's ties with New Delhi, the senior Pakistani official said, but the administration does not have to choose between the two.
As the official put it: "You don't have to fuck Pakistan in order to make love to India."
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Pakistani Punjabi Army is the root cause
Pakistani Punjabi Army with it's only active branch, the infamous ISI, has f*cked Pakistan, since the day it was born.
Along the way, they f*cked their neighbors Afghanistan & India.
The Pakistani Punjabi Army also f*cked all states of Pakistani other than their own Punjab:
Bangladesh - by extreme economic exploitation and rapes & mass murders in hundreds of thousands
Sindh - by exploitation of Karachi trade & promoting internal violence
Baluchistan - by economic strangulation & murders of thousands of Baluch leaders
Pashtunistan - by using the brave Pashtun people as cannon fodder for the Punjabi Army officer's wars
Pakistan Occupied Kashmir - by keeping them in the 13th century
The birth of Pakistan is a miracle and it is a settled fact.Gaandhi with all congress could not stop.
Punjab is the largest producer of every agri product so it has the capacity to give other units to eat and enjoy.
Pakistan is a power and such a power that no one can even think to see it.
India"s cold start doctrine has become cold hahahahahaaa it cant even dare to cross a sinle foot into PAKISTAN.
If anyone wants to check its power then he is welcome to death valley of invaders.
Dont u see the USSR ?Jow it was tored into pieces by Pakistan
and now US is facing quagmire of Afghanistan only due to no cooperation of Pakistan
and the recession due to long war.
Pakistan is happy even though blasts as it is getting Years sought technology of US in minutes
US is dancing on Pakistan signals and carrying dead bodies back home
with fresh version of 8 dead us soldiers.
So plz dont think about Pakistan as u r now.
I am going to simply classify PUNJABI ARMY pun as an uneducated-Cliché-guess. Pakistan Army's last two mighty dictators were non-Punjabis (Urdu speaking migrants from present India), Mohajars to be precise.
Once again, U. S. inventing reasons to excuse Pakistan
Clearly U. S. government once again has started to invent reasons to forgive Pakistan for its duplicity, this time about Pakistan wanting U. S. to get out of Afghanistan and allowing Pakistan to bring back Taliban rule.
Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly SPONSORING four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.
Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.
But then ‘powers to be’ in Washington can NOT handle the truth and so have whitewashed Pakistani Army’s SPONSORSHIP of Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda, Haqqani’s HQN, Mullah Omar’s QST and Hafiz Saeed’s LeT reported by ambassador Patterson.
Pakistan knows that U. S. is in a hurry to get out of Afghanistan after ten long years of war resulting from Pakistan’s own duplicity of ’running with the hares while hunting with the hounds’.
Does U. S. want to look at a bigger picture of China-Pakistan axis or does U. S. want to sacrifice Afghanistan at the altar called Pakistan?
Dear Marty: this condescending tone precisely is the reason of the american policy failures, well all across the world from the beginning of the 21st century. afghanistan, iraq, libya - and include pakistan, if you wish to. if america, and other countries in afghaistan, are allowed to guard their national interest, then why the same right is denied to paksitan? and every nation indigenously and sovereignly defines its national interests.
after all, america's own history is full of sponsoring terror groups/armies in latin/south america to topple democratically elected groups and same was done to a large part of the middle east. american intervention in afghanistan did not start on the cordial invitation of either paksitan or afghanistan and the end result: an afghan airforce officer shoots nine americans on april 24!
sponsoring or not sponsoring haqqani has to be decided by pakistan's establishment and not everything that comes from pentagon, state department or the white house could be word of god. in the wilderness of mirrors and games of deception from october 7th to this day as i write, why should pakistan trust on an ally whose incompetence once turned pakistan into a hell hole. the intoxication of power and hubris of gun powder does not deliver all the times.
i wish if you could understand punjabi but if you have a punjabi friend, please ask him the meaning of "hor choopo!"
MARTY U STILL GETTING YOUR MONTHLY CHECK???
Marty GET LIFE as well.........
Is Pakistan trying to push US out of Afghanistan?
Pakistan can hardly be faulted for trying.
In the first place, Pakistan was forced to join in the global war against terror when Bush thundered at Pakistan after 9/11. Pakistan and Musharraf had no choice.
Having joined - ostensibly - Pakistan never had its heart in the undertaking from day one. As other comments have pointed out, Pakistan hunted with the hounds and ran with the hares.
Now that Obama shows that he is anxious to get out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, now under remarkably inept leadership, proceeds to make US exit from Afghanistan ignominious for the US. Pakistan is sparing no effort to bring home to the US that without Pakistan the US can get nowhere in Afghanistan.
It is not a correct reading of the situation that the US can get nowhere in Afghanistan if Pakistan is not on board. But that's what the US Dept of State and Pentagon seem to think. So, with all kinds of misdemeanour on Pakistan's part, the US chooses to forgive Pakistan for everything, goes on to reward Pakistan with cash and armaments, including the long-withheld F-16s (which incidentally Pakistan paid for a long time ago): it's a question of time before the US gives Pakistan the much coveted Predators as well. The US is phenomenally lacking in national self-respect where Pakistan is concerned.
The result, in my view, will be that the US shall leave Afghanistan, whenever it does, not in order or with honour but with a gnawing realization that it had been done in by Pakistan. The US will deserve it.
If you don't choose your allies carefully, you should be ready and prepared to pay the price for your misjudgment. This is what the US is going to have to do.
Pakistan was not with the US ever. Pakistan is not with the US now. But the US goes on pretending, for reasons which I cannot fathom, that Pakistan is still frontline non-Nato ally in the global war against terror, although Obama's administration does not like to use those phrases any longer.
If you make such colossal misjudgment, you should be prepared to pay the costs.
V. C. Bhutani, vineycb1@vsnl.com, Delhi, India, May 1 2011, 0745 IST
All of these wars share a common trait: no stated mission objective.
So you mean to say that Hindus are running the Punjabi component of Pakistan Army ?
It is quite well known that U.S is bleeding in Afghanistan, courtesy Pakistani infidelity and American foolish ways of doing things.
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