Much ado has been made about Assistant Secretary Michael Posner's statement Friday that he raised Arizona's controversial immigration law during human rights discussions with the Chinese government.

But those comments were taken out of context and the discussion of the law was meant to show the differences between how a free society handles human rights issues and the restrictive practices enforced in China, Posner tells The Cable in an exclusive interview.

"The broader context in which this was raised was to discuss the political openness of this society and the value of an open debate," Posner said. "We never did get into the merits of the Arizona law. It was not in any way a comparison between that law and any specific law or practice in China."

Posner said during his Friday press conference that the Arizona legislation was mentioned "as a troubling trend in our society and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination."

But that comment, too, was misinterpreted, according to Posner.

"I should have been clearer, what I was saying is that there is broader issue in [American] society about discrimination and we need constantly and always to be addressing that issue," he said.

Arizona Senators John McCain and Jon Kyl released a statement Tuesday calling on Posner to issue a formal apology. They called his remarks "particularly offensive" and said he "seemed to imply [the Arizona law] is morally equivalent to China's persistent pattern of abuse and repression of its people."

"That simply is not the case," Posner responded, saying he had no plans to apologize but hope his clarifications would convince the senators their concerns were misplaced.

"The only thing that was said was that the debate is about a law that some critics would say has the unintended consequence to discriminate against legal or illegal residents. We did not comment on the particulars of whether that's true or not," Posner explained.

Posner's remarks came under fire in part because they fit a narrative among conservatives that the Obama administration is not pressing authoritarian governments strongly enough on human rights.

Last month, Obama reportedly told Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev, "We, too, are working to improve our democracy," when meeting with him on the sidelines of last month's nuclear security summit. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was heavily criticized last February when she said during a China trip that human rights issues "can't interfere with the global economic crisis, the global climate change crisis, and the security crisis."

But Posner, who has a 30-year track record as a leader in the human rights field, said that different situations call for different approaches.

"In some instances it is more effective to discuss things privately with governments. But that's not enough. There are some moments when it's equally important to be publicly visible," he said.

Responding to criticism of the U.S. human rights dialogue with China, Posner said that after a long period of having no formal mechanism to discuss human rights with the Chinese, now there was a structure that could be built upon. There will be another round of talks next year in Beijing, and the State Department is setting up bilateral working groups with experts on legal, religious, and labor rights issues.

"This represents the foundation for a future set of discussions that could pave the way for future progress," he said, adding that last week's meetings were "respectful in tone but direct in content."

JOHN THYS/AFP/Getty Images

 

IAN

5:25 PM ET

May 19, 2010

2 Things

1. I don't know what the new Arizona law is about, haven't bothered looking it up, but there's definitely a lot hoopla going on about it. Maybe I should check it out so I can give a decent reply on it.

2. Does Posner really expect to that "his clarifications would convince the senators their concerns were misplaced." when one of the senators is McCain? Really? Not only is he the abject Republican presidential hodeful failure, he's also a senator from Arizona. There's no way he's going to let this one lie, no matter how much clarification Posner does.

 

MALICEIT

10:33 PM ET

May 19, 2010

RE:

1) Basically it gives right to police stop and request identification of illegal immigrants (or people that look like immigrants). Pretty much the same thing hitler did to jews with yellow stars. If interested there is a bill
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/HB_2162Signed.pdf
2) Only reason McCain even got into this conversation is because he thought that most of radical conservatives would jump on bandwagon of "well, this law is good". And since only deep South republicans jumped on it, it completely failed in its objectivity.
I honestly agree with Posner's comment and its connection with Chinese civil rights abuses.

 

BOREDWELL

10:52 PM ET

May 19, 2010

Much Ado

Why did Posner's qualified statement resonate negatively? Those who object to comparisons between the extrajudicial Arizona Law and those enforced by a less enlightened government are blind to the fact that Arizona's Law is not only punitive, it is specifically minority-based. It has been referred to as the "Juan Crow" law. And the reasoning behind this law is furthermore disingenuous. "To protect our state's porous borders," the governor said when she signed it into law. That's a poor excuse! To legalize victimization of any minority because of the criminal activity of a few who happen to share their national origin is as illogical and reactionary as it is troubling. The law arbitrarily will criminalize an already marginalized cultural segment of American society by empowering law enforcement to make subjective, inherently prejudicial assessments. One has only to flip the history book back 77 years to 1933 when Nazi Germany promulgated the Aryan Laws proscribing Jews of their civil, cultural and equal rights. Arizona and the nation should be ashamed to countenance this law. It goes against the very grain of democracy.

 

John Hudson reports on national security and foreign policy from the Pentagon to Foggy Bottom, the White House to Embassy Row, for The Cable.

Enter your email address to get The Cable delivered to your inbox each night:

Delivered by FeedBurner