Monday, April 26, 2010 - 12:36 PM
National Security Advisor Jim Jones's speech to a top Middle East think thank last week has been overshadowed somewhat by a brewing controversy over a joke he told at the outset. But within the speech, Jones made big news on the foreign-policy front.
UPDATE, 1:35 p.m.: Jones has just issued the following statement:
“I wish that I had not made this off the cuff joke at the top of my remarks, and I apologize to anyone who was offended by it. It also distracted from the larger message I carried that day: that the United States commitment to Israel’s security is sacrosanct.”
Jones is getting a lot of criticism in the conservative blogosphere for starting off his talk with a two-minute joke about a beleaguered Taliban soldier who stumbles upon a Jewish shop in Afghanistan pleading for water. Here's the exact wording of the now-infamous joke:
In order to set the stage for my remarks I'd just like to tell you a story that I think is true. It happened recently in southern Afghanistan. A member of the Taliban was separated from his fighting party and wandered around for a few days in the desert, lost, out of food, no water. And he looked on the horizon and he saw what looked like a little shack and he walked towards that shack. And as he got to it, it turned out it was a little store own by a Jewish merchant. And the Taliban warrior went up to him and said, "I need water, give me some water." And the merchant said, "I'm sorry, I don't have any water but would you like a tie. We have a nice sale of ties today."
Whereupon the Taliban erupted into a stream of language that I can't repeat, about Israel, about Jewish people, about the man himself, about his family, and just said, "I need water, you try to sell me ties, you people don't get it." The merchant stood there until the Taliban was through with his diatribe and said, "Well I'm sorry I don't have water for you and I forgive you for all of the insults you've levied against me, my family, my country. But I will help you out. If you go over that hill and walk about two miles there is a restaurant there and they will have all the water you need." And the Taliban, instead of saying thanks, still muttering under his breath, disappears over the hill, only to come back an hour later, and walking up to the merchant says, "You're brother tells me a I need a tie to get into the restaurant."
Although the crowd seemed to laugh heartily, Jones has been heavily criticized by conservative bloggers and some Jewish community leaders, such as the Anti-Defamation League's Abe Foxman, who told ABC News the joke was "inappropriate" and "stereotypic."
"Some people believe they need to start a speech with a joke; this was about the worst kind of joke the head of the National Security Council could have told," Foxman reportedly said.
Jones is already viewed in some pro-Israel circles as too tough on the Jewish state, dating back to his time as George W. Bush's security coordinator for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He's also reportedly been advocating that President Obama put forward his own peace plan, a move the Israelis and their closest allies in the United States would fiercely oppose.
But Robert Satloff, the executive director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), which hosted the event, said that he hasn't gotten any complaints about the joke and called the controversy a "real tempest in a teapot."
"This joke stuff is beneath everybody to be focusing on when there are important issues to be focused on," Satloff told The Cable. "I was the host of the event and nobody registered that sort of complaint to me. There was no shock, no offense."
He defended WINEP's decision to post the video of the speech without the joke included, saying that such videos are edited all the time to pare it down only to prepared remarks. As Politico's Ben Smith pointed out Sunday, the White House's official transcript of the speech also failed to include the joke.
Jones did make news in discussing the Obama administration's National Security Strategy, which is expected to come out in the next few weeks. He laid out the four pillars of the new strategy: security, prosperity, values, and international order.
That's quite different from Bush's 2006 NSS, which named two key pillars: "promoting freedom, justice, and human dignity," and "confronting the challenges of our time by leading a growing community of democracies."
Satloff said the speech also included, "the most comprehensive bill of indictment on Iran that I've seen any senior official state," as well as some language that was a signal of the administration's new willingness to put pressure on Arab and Palestinian leaders to begin serious negotiations with Israel.
Jones said:
We also continue to call on all sides to avoid provocative actions, including Israeli actions in East Jerusalem and Palestinian incitement that fuel suspicion rather than trust... So it is time to begin those negotiations and to put an end to excuses. It is time for all leaders in the region-Israeli, Palestinian, and Arab-to support efforts for peace.
"In any sense they are asking Israel to do something, they want it to be closely interwoven with things they are asking of the Palestinians," Satloff said. "The language has changed on that and in this speech Jones has rolled out the new language."
Now what's wrong with a little humour?
Now what's wrong with a little humour?
We kill, torture and assassinate people everyday, so why get so uptight on a joke. Its just words.
Bullets kill; words only clarify.
The whole point is that , since the beginning, Obama administration is so careful about not upsetting Muslims and Muslims nations even when it comes to vital internal security issues.
Could anyone imagine Jones telling the same joke about Islam ?
About a Muslim Shop owner ?
Hell no, he would be fired in the same minute !!!
Finally, Jones is a ignorant. He simply does not understand that Jewish and Israeli are not the same thing !
David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel and Deniss Ross even though being Jewish are not Israelis but Americans
P.S. WHO KNOWS ACCORDING TO JONES: NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Double Standard indeed, one only need go as far as the current
South Park dustup over the image of Mohammed in a bear suit.
Shouldn't he be under fire for telling a Taliban joke?
There's nothing wrong with that joke. That knucklehead Foxman is only upset that he didn't tell it first - or maybe he did, and that's why he's upset. This is just the same old game - get the goy who once criticized Israel.
That said, Jones' joke is an update on the old herring joke.
A Jew is riding from Minsk to Pinsk by train. At one stop a Russian commisar gets on, and during the first part of the journey utters repeated epitaths against the Jews and how they are a horrible people. Later though, the Commisar wonders aloud why the Jews think they are so smart. Upon hearing this, the old man replies that it is because Jews eat herring and that if the Commisar eats herring as well, that he too, could become as smart as the Jews.
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The Commisar nods appreciatively and inquires where he can find some herring. The old man states that he happens to have a few extra for his lunch and offers to sell them to the Commisar for 12 rubles a piece.
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The exchange is made and the Commisar has his herring for lunch. During a stop at one of the stations, the Commisar gets off the train and enters the market. Upon returning he questions the old man about his prices. The Commisar explains that he found that herring was selling in the market for only six rubles a piece and wondered why he should have purchased the old man's herring for 12 rubles. To which the old man replies, see, you're getting smarter already.
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Personally, I liked Jones joke,
I'd be more worried if Jim Jones opened with a line like this
Hot Shot's Part Deux
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"Topper Harley: You're joking.
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Ramada Rodham Hayman: I'm not.
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Topper Harley: You've got to be.
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Ramada Rodham Hayman: If I was joking I would say: "A horse walks into a bar. The bartender says, 'Why the long face?'"
Just a joke no big deal, no need to make something out of nothin
I think Jim Jones has better stuff to do than find excuses for a joke that had no purpose besides make people laugh. Calm Down Abe
In the words of Dave Chapelle.........
Man! This racism is killin me inside!
That was one funny joke , I'm going to steal it and tell people I made it up.
He probably heard the joke in israel and repeated it.
We tell these jokes all the time in Israel.
People can argue whether the joke is funny or not. The joke is not worthy of an further attention.
The joke does not require leaders of major Jewish organisations to weigh in and it certainly doesn't require an apology.
Jewish leaders need to choose their battles much more carefully. This affair can only lead to a bad taste and more accusations of hypersensitivity of Jewish people who are just crying wolf.
Antisemitism is clearly on the rise and a extremely serious issue. It is increasingly common currency in the media, in which the most shrill voices find prestigious publications more than happy to publish any clap trap about Jews under the pretence of 'legitimate criticism of Israel'.
A quick perusal of Foreign Policy immediately shows the degree to which coarse antisemitism is now being dressed up and published as legitimate commentary. Immediately jumping to mind is Mr. Walt who in long list of antisemitic diatribes recently questioned the loyalty of American civil servants who are Jewish. He himself of course didn't render a judgement, he just makes the accusation and says others should investigate and make appropriate decisions. Or Nadim N. Rouhana's scurrilous diatribe, A State for All Its Citizens denouncing Israel for it's Jewish character.
Please note the article meets the EU criteria of a working definition of Antisemitism.
and I quote the relevant section
"Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:
i) Denying the Jewish people their right to self determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
ii) Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation."
I can only imagine the deserved ridicule FP would face had they published an article by an Arab, who also feel alienated as recent riots demonstrated, decrying French Democracy because France defines itself as a French or the "French Republic".
Political correctness - 3rd Stupidest Phrase Invented
Hah! If someone really wanted to complicate things more they'd ask how the Taliban feels about that joke. Political correctness, gotta love it..
Same joke on TV a couple weeks ago?
A few weeks ago, our PBS station ran a musical called "Imagine This". It's about Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the Holocaust putting on a play about Masada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_This
The reason I mention this is because I believe this play has one of the characters make the exact same joke early in the performance, but with a Nazi dying of thirst rather than a Taliban. But other than than, I think everything else was the same: Nazi dying of thirst in desert can't get water from Jewish necktie salesman, is sent off into the desert to his brother's restaurant, later comes back because he can't get in without a necktie.
Did anyone else see this? I believe it ran nationally on PBS a couple weeks ago. I think Jones (or his speechwriter) must have saw this when it was on TV here in the US.
The reality is, humor is not just the telling of jokes
and funny stories, but provides an underlying cultural subtext to the issues of the day.
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The issue is that there is a closer link between a teller of jokes and other 'entertainment' or public actions. The audiance is more participative during a performance, unlike say opera, a public speech by a politician, or a weekly sermon.
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To that end, cultural and ethnic background matters. Audiances are aware of the teller's background and their style of humor. People going in to listen to Bill Cosby, would be somewhat put off if there was a switch and had to listen to an hour of Lisa Lamponelli. Likewise, there are those who find Jeff Dunham funny and those who are highly offended by his particular sense of humor. So too apparently can one take laugh or take issue with Jon Stewart's and Stephen Colbert's TV show.
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So what to make of Jim Jones' joke. In the supermarket of Middle East "think tanks", WINEP seems to fall under the grouping of moderate professional analysis to supporter of Israel. Since a joke is usually told to empathize the teller with the audiance, it seems unlikley that this is going to be told from the vantage of "greedy unscrupulus Jewish merchant fleecing a poor innocent Goy", but more along the lines of my earlier comment of solidarity aganist extremism and hate.
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Of course as well, the idea that this has become fodder for a bevy of articles and punditry also points out the use of the Arab Israeli conflict as a jobs program for a bunch of talking heads and academics who are still probably scratching their heads and asking themselves "from this he makes a living?"
"Of course as well, the idea that this has become fodder for a bevy of articles and punditry also points out the use of the Arab Israeli conflict as a jobs program for a bunch of talking heads and academics who are still probably scratching their heads and asking themselves "from this he makes a living?""
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Should have read ... who's mothers... instead of who.
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Quick, somebody grab Jamie Farr before he reaches the gong.
It's interesting, that when a culture or ethnic group matures, it can tell jokes at it's own expense. What this says about most Jews (pace Abe Foxman) and most Muslims should be obvious....
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