Freeman speaks out on his exit

Tue, 03/10/2009 - 5:35pm

Retired Amb. Chas Freeman, who said today that he no longer accepts an offer to chair the National Intelligence Council, has just sent this message:

You will by now have seen the statement by Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair reporting that I have withdrawn my previous acceptance of his invitation to chair the National Intelligence Council.

I have concluded that the barrage of libelous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office.  The effort to smear me and to destroy my credibility would instead continue.  I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country.  I agreed to chair the NIC to strengthen it and protect it against politicization, not to introduce it to efforts by a special interest group to assert control over it through a protracted political campaign.

As those who know me are well aware, I have greatly enjoyed life since retiring from government.  Nothing was further from my mind than a return to public service.  When Admiral Blair asked me to chair the NIC I responded that I understood he was “asking me to give my freedom of speech, my leisure, the greater part of my income, subject myself to the mental colonoscopy of a polygraph, and resume a daily commute to a job with long working hours and a daily ration of political abuse.”  I added that I wondered “whether there wasn’t some sort of downside to this offer.”  I was mindful that no one is indispensable; I am not an exception.  It took weeks of reflection for me to conclude that, given the unprecedentedly challenging circumstances in which our country now finds itself abroad and at home, I had no choice but accept the call to return to public service.  I thereupon resigned from all positions that I had held and all activities in which I was engaged.  I now look forward to returning to private life, freed of all previous obligations.

I am not so immodest as to believe that this controversy was about me rather than issues of public policy.  These issues had little to do with the NIC and were not at the heart of what I hoped to contribute to the quality of analysis available to President Obama and his administration.  Still, I am saddened by what the controversy and the manner in which the public vitriol of those who devoted themselves to sustaining it have revealed about the state of our civil society.  It is apparent that we Americans cannot any longer conduct a serious public discussion or exercise independent judgment about matters of great importance to our country as well as to our allies and friends. 

The libels on me and their easily traceable email trails show conclusively that there is a powerful  lobby determined to prevent any view other than its own from being aired, still less to factor in American understanding of trends and events in the Middle East.  The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth.  The aim of this Lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the substitution of political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion of any and all options for decision by Americans and our government other than those that it favors.

There is a special irony in having been accused of improper regard for the opinions of foreign governments and societies by a group so clearly intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government – in this case, the government of Israel.  I believe that the inability of the American public to discuss, or the government to consider, any option for US policies in the Middle East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics has allowed that faction to adopt and sustain policies that ultimately threaten the existence of the state of Israel.  It is not permitted for anyone in the United States to say so.  This is not just a tragedy for Israelis and their neighbors in the Middle East; it is doing widening damage to the national security of the United States.

The outrageous agitation that followed the leak of my pending appointment will be seen by many to raise serious questions about whether the Obama administration will be able to make its own decisions about the Middle East and related issues.  I regret that my willingness to serve the new administration has ended by casting doubt on its ability to consider, let alone decide what policies might best serve the interests of the United States rather than those of a Lobby intent on enforcing the will and interests of a foreign government. 

In the court of public opinion, unlike a court of law, one is guilty until proven innocent.  The speeches from which quotations have been lifted from their context are available for anyone interested in the truth to read.  The injustice of the accusations made against me has been obvious to those with open minds.  Those who have sought to impugn my character are uninterested in any rebuttal that I or anyone else might make. 

Still, for the record: I have never sought to be paid or accepted payment from any foreign government, including Saudi Arabia or China, for any service, nor have I ever spoken on behalf of a foreign government, its interests, or its policies.  I have never lobbied any branch of our government for any cause, foreign or domestic.  I am my own man, no one else’s, and with my return to private life, I will once again – to my pleasure – serve no master other than myself.  I will continue to speak out as I choose on issues of concern to me and other Americans.

I retain my respect and confidence in President Obama and DNI Blair.  Our country now faces terrible challenges abroad as well as at home.  Like all patriotic Americans, I continue to pray that our president can successfully lead us in surmounting them. 

More to come.



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Shattered glass

That is what I heard from reading this statement. It is one thing for academics, bloggers, and non-American news media to discuss the Israel Lobby. It is quite another for one of its victims to use the term as explicitly as Freeman does here.

The Gap Between Politics and Academia on Israel

This episode will serve to widen the gap between academic and political opinion on the question of Israel. At the elite colleges that educate the ruling class in America, taking a vocal and passionate pro-Israel stand is risky business. It is getting just as difficult to be pro-Israel in academia and on campus as it is to be anti-Israel in politics. This gap is unhealthy, and in order to explain the gap between academic and political opinion, people are resorting to narratives that imperil the respect for the Jews that has long made the American diaspora experience unique, even if these accusations are only intended to shame factions within the Jewish community. The cause of a Jewish state in Israel is one that young Jews were educated by smart and loving people to take seriously and are told by serious minds to abandon.

Obviously, there is an Israel Lobby, but we need to be especially careful with this term. Here's is why-- it is not a thesis that can be disproved, it is not testable. The Israel Lobby thesis is the most incendiary, and bold, idea to be uttered by the American foreign policy establishment in years. It puts forth the possibility that everyone who is pro-Israel is actually being held hostage.

WE ARE CREATING A WORLD WHERE ALL PRO-ISRAEL STATEMENTS, BY POLITICAL OFFICIALS, MEDIA OUTLETS, AND THE ACADEMY CAN BE INTERPRETED AS HAVING THEIR ORIGINS IN FEAR OF THE ISRAEL LOBBY. WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD?

I trust that the realists and Mearsheimerites do not. I trust that most Americans or moderate members of the Professoriate do not. Existential enemies of Israel, be they on the far intellectual left or in the Muslim nations, would welcome this state of affairs.

The scandal of the Freeman affair, was that the Pro-Israel Community was screwed either way. He basically said, "Zionist Jews control American foreign policy." And then Zionist Jews said, "We really do not like it when people say that." Then, Freeman said, "look! I told you so!."

How can Freeman at once say, "no one is allowed to say so," and then... say so? What I find shocking about this entire discourse on Israel is the way that the smartest anti-Zionists simultaneously propagate their views through the most efficient technologies ever created, get their books published at the most respectable publishing houses, speak freely in the most prestigious universities, and still insist that they are silenced. They are so used to being beleaguered that they cannot see that they have largely crippled or muzzled the pro-Israel zeal in the next generation of highly educated Jews.

Perhaps some words from Mr. Churchill can remind us why the formation of the character of the next generation of Jews needs to be on the mind of those who care about America in 2050. If your goal is the complete secularization of America and the abolition of the nation-state, like Mr. Chomsky, the best thing you can do is continue to tilt the young Jew's messianic impulse away from national goals and towards international and secular goals. This is best accomplished through publicly and privately shaming those who publicly declare themselves to be Zionists.

http://www.patriot.dk/churchill.html

Freeman was a casualty of a larger war-- the struggle between those who seek to preserve the nation-state and those who are not loyal to the national idea. Freeman's glorification of Mao and admiration for Islamic illiberalism made him a traitor to the national idea. One of the source of America's greatness is that we were not hit as hard by the tidal wave of materialistic Marxism in the second half of the 20th century. The commitment of our Jews to Zionism inoculated some of them from commitment to international socialism in the 20th century -- a disease that Jews, especially impoverished ones from eastern Europe, are unfortunately and understandably, prone. Today, young Jews are similarly prone to the temptations of public atheism and aggressive secularism. Zionism, and public deference for it, can inoculate them to these new threats to liberty-- if you indeed agree with Madison and Tocqueville that religion is good for democracies. You cannot blame even the most nefarious Israel Lobbies or neocon cabals for disloyalty to this national idea.

America and Israel are and remain staunch allies in opposition to the anti-nation-state politics of the UN, the European left, the Berkeley campus left, and the at times philotyrannical imagination of Chas Freeman.

That said, this is still a sad day for intellectual freedom. All freedom-loving people, including Americans, a few PLO members, Israelis, and Chas Freeman on his good days, should be disturbed by the limitations placed on those who seek public office.

Yet, character assaults are not as bad as the physical assaults, lynchings, and knee-breaking to which young Fatah members are currently being subjected for insinuating that Israel might not be the physical incarnation of Satan, as they are now educated to believe. Perhaps Obama and Clinton, who apparently read Itamar Marcus' http://www.pmw.org.il/ weekly, can figure out how to bring peace to this embattled region.

Aw, come off it, Pomona!

Pomona: "At the elite colleges that educate the ruling class in America, taking a vocal and passionate pro-Israel stand is risky business."

Really? I guess you haven't heard of how Prof. Norman Finkelstein has been treated?

Pomona: "The Israel Lobby thesis is the most incendiary, and bold, idea to be uttered by the American foreign policy establishment in years."

It has been "incendiary" thanks to the fiery rhetoric of persons like you.

Pomona: Freeman is against the nation-state. Freeman has glorified Mao. "... the philotyrannical imagination of Chas Freeman."

Would you please provide a real reference for these off the wall allegations?

And so on, ad nauseam...

The scandal

[[[ The scandal of the Freeman affair, was that the Pro-Israel Community was screwed either way. He basically said, "Zionist Jews control American foreign policy." And then Zionist Jews said, "We really do not like it when people say that." Then, Freeman said, "look! I told you so!."

How can Freeman at once say, "no one is allowed to say so," and then... say so? ]]]

The fact that Freeman had to quit to make a statement like the above is the proof. The fact that no major media outlet in U.S even mentions this departure yet another. The fact that inspite of our budget shortfall we have to still foot the bill for Isareli aid without question, while many programs are cut, is yet another.

The real issue is, how both our short term as well as long term interests are compromised by the alligence of some of our citizens to a foreign entity, first. Worse is the absence of any dialogue at national level to address this.

"At the elite colleges that

"At the elite colleges that educate the ruling class in America, taking a vocal and passionate pro-Israel stand is risky business."

Absolute nonsense. So explain Alan Dershowitz at Harvard? The fact of the matter is that Freeman has pointed out a problem that has been going on for years in this country. It's the elephant in the room and it has nothing to do with Antisemitism. In fact it has nothing to do with Jews at all. It has everything to do with a foreign power wielding undue influence on our government through a powerful and unscrupulous lobby.

How refreshing to see a member of our political establishment actually have the guts to stand up and speak the truth. The Neocons are on the way out... and thank God.

Blame The Lobby: ... failed nominee peddles a conspiracy theory

The Washington Post
March 12, 2009

EDITORIAL

Blame the 'Lobby'

The Obama administration's latest failed nominee peddles a conspiracy theory.

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FORMER ambassador Charles W. Freeman Jr. looked like a poor choice to chair the Obama administration's National Intelligence Council. A former envoy to Saudi Arabia and China, he suffered from an extreme case of clientitis on both accounts. In addition to chiding Beijing for not crushing the Tiananmen Square democracy protests sooner and offering sycophantic paeans to Saudi King "Abdullah the Great," Mr. Freeman headed a Saudi-funded Middle East advocacy group in Washington and served on the advisory board of a state-owned Chinese oil company. It was only reasonable to ask -- as numerous members of Congress had begun to do -- whether such an actor was the right person to oversee the preparation of National Intelligence Estimates.

It wasn't until Mr. Freeman withdrew from consideration for the job, however, that it became clear just how bad a selection Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair had made. Mr. Freeman issued a two-page screed on Tuesday in which he described himself as the victim of a shadowy and sinister "Lobby" whose "tactics plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency" and which is "intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government." Yes, Mr. Freeman was referring to Americans who support Israel -- and his statement was a grotesque libel.

For the record, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee says that it took no formal position on Mr. Freeman's appointment and undertook no lobbying against him. If there was a campaign, its leaders didn't bother to contact the Post editorial board. According to a report by Newsweek, Mr. Freeman's most formidable critic -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- was incensed by his position on dissent in China.

But let's consider the ambassador's broader charge: He describes "an inability of the American public to discuss, or the government to consider, any option for U.S. policies in the Middle East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics." That will certainly be news to Israel's "ruling faction," which in the past few years alone has seen the U.S. government promote a Palestinian election that it opposed; refuse it weapons it might have used for an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities; and adopt a policy of direct negotiations with a regime that denies the Holocaust and that promises to wipe Israel off the map. Two Israeli governments have been forced from office since the early 1990s after open clashes with Washington over matters such as settlement construction in the occupied territories.

What's striking about the charges by Mr. Freeman and like-minded conspiracy theorists is their blatant disregard for such established facts. Mr. Freeman darkly claims that "it is not permitted for anyone in the United States" to describe Israel's nefarious influence. But several of his allies have made themselves famous (and advanced their careers) by making such charges -- and no doubt Mr. Freeman himself will now win plenty of admiring attention. Crackpot tirades such as his have always had an eager audience here and around the world. The real question is why an administration that says it aims to depoliticize U.S. intelligence estimates would have chosen such a man to oversee them.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/11/AR2009031103384.html

Chas Freeman's Ugly Goodbye (Noah Pollak, NewMajority.com)

From NewMajority.com
March 12, 2009

Chas Freeman's Ugly Goodbye

--Noah Pollak

Two thoughts on the demise of Chas Freeman, the first on the way we debate Israel, and the second on the claim by many of Freeman’s defenders that being a “realist” was his true sin.

The Freeman episode solidified what had been inchoate in previous Israel-related debates, such as over the recent Gaza War and the emergence of the left-wing lobbying group J Street. The true fallout from Walt and Mearsheimer seems not to be the exposure of a conspiracy that manipulates American policy – it is the provision to one side of the debate of a ready-made excuse for its political failure and an inflammatory argument against its opponents.

The new Israel Lobby paradigm is very simple: when Israeli actions, such as Operation Cast Lead, are condemned, or a public figure who has harshly criticized Israel is defended, the democratic legitimacy of the opposing side is called into question. Instead of debating them on the merits, Chas Freeman’s critics have been portrayed as ruthless enforcers of orthodox opinion about Israel; they are not participants in a controversy, but illiberal destroyers and silencers of debate, not to mention treasonous advocates for foreign interests.

This method has the added benefit of being impervious to refutation: having cast opposition to Freeman as Israel-obsessed, his rejection can be dismissed as another example of the Lobby’s ability to manipulate American politics. Of course, Freeman’s comments on Israel have nothing whatsoever to do with the financial investigation he faced which seems to have been an important factor in his withdrawal, or the outrage of those who could be said to be members of the China Lobby over his statements about the Tiananmen Square Massacre. But saying that you were scalped by the Israel Lobby is so much more dramatic and ennobling than the pedestrian embarrassment of having to admit that your financial dealings with foreign interests disqualified you from sensitive work, or that an array of people disputed your appointment for a variety of reasons.

And then there is the claim that Freeman’s true sin was being a foreign policy realist, putting him in the crosshairs of the neocons. But since when has realism involved the outright admiration of despots? It turns out that the people who are most conspicuous in apologizing for tyrants tend to also be most conspicuous in their condemnations of the Jewish state, a thriving democracy in the heart of a region dominated by autocracies. It is interesting that the very things the Chas Freemans of the world find perfectly justifiable in Saudi Arabia and China form the basis of their condemnation of Israel: that Israel mistreats minorities, that it abuses its power, that its behavior is too self-interested, that it refuses -- in defiance of its superior regional power, as any realist would acknowledge -- to submit itself to the demands of the Arabs.

Would Chas Freeman apply his Tiananmen Square principle to the Palestinian intifada? Can anyone imagine him lauding “Bibi the Great” (he once called the Saudi king “Abdullah the Great”) because of the accomplishment of some superficial reform?

The claims that Freeman was attacked for his “realism” are self-serving. They are an attempt to apply a sheen of doctrinal sophistication to what are simply a set of ugly opinions. Freeman isn’t actually a realist about Saudi Arabia and China -- he is an admirer of their successful thuggery and despotism. And he certainly isn’t a realist about Israel, an American client whose military power put an end to the decades of state-versus-state wars that culminated in an Arab oil embargo in 1974, a dire challenge to American interests. If they care at all about protecting the reputation of their school of foreign policy, realists should not allow Chas Freeman to portray himself as a martyr to their cause.

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They won

That Chas will not chair the NIC is nothing short of a mockery.

The Middle East Shouldn’t Fret About Charles Freeman’s Exit

The National (Abu Dhabi)
March 19, 2009

The Middle East Shouldn’t Fret About Charles Freeman’s Exit

By Michael Young

When the former American ambassador Charles “Chas” Freeman last week decided not to accept his appointment as chairman of the National Intelligence Council, many people, particularly in the Middle East, put this down to the workings of the pro-Israel lobby in Washington. Mr Freeman, in a departing salvo, substantiated that interpretation. However, his Arab defenders paid little attention to the ambassador’s observations of how the Chinese authorities dealt with the Tiananmen “incident” (Mr Freeman’s words) in 1989, and what this said about how political “realists” like him approach American policy in the Arab world.

In comments on the Chinese government’s repression of the student protests posted to an e-mail list in 2006, Mr Freeman argued that the government’s error was to have wasted too much time before clearing Tiananmen Square. The ambassador wrote, “I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be. Such folk, whether they represent a veterans’ ‘Bonus Army’ or a ‘student uprising’ on behalf of ‘the goddess of democracy’ should expect to be displaced with dispatch [sic] from the ground they occupy.”

Political realists like Mr Freeman pride themselves on being able to dispassionately assess national interests, and pursue them with relative amorality, so that the advancement of values and human rights are important only in their impact on reasons of state. That explains his affixing quotation marks around the words “goddess of democracy” in his e-mail, a way of ridiculing the symbol held up at the time by students, whose “propaganda” demanding a more open Chinese system was distasteful for having disrupted “the normal functions of government”.

Oddly, the ambassador’s smugness prompted his supporters to maintain that he was ideal to head the National Intelligence Council, because he could “think outside the box”. In fact the template of his foreign policy judgments remains not only squarely “inside the box”, it is also dated and in some ways reactionary. For whether Mr Freeman likes it or not, in the past decade and a half, concepts like democracy, liberal internationalism, human rights and humanitarian intervention have become mainstays of foreign policy thinking, even when they are hypocritically implemented.

This raises a broader question of how American realists should tackle the Middle East. For over half a century, Mr Freeman was very much a by-product of the mainstream view in Washington that it was not up to the United States to concern itself with the internal conduct of its Arab allies. If a leader useful to Washington repressed his own people, then that was his business. The attitude was grim, certainly, and the US had dozens of useless programmes to bolster Arab civil society and democracy to mitigate any criticism of its selfishness, but realpolitik authorised it.

Where the realist paradigm broke down, however, was when the region’s despots, to enhance their standing at home, broke out of their borders and destabilised the region. That is what Saddam Hussein did in 1989, for example, when he invaded Kuwait. The administration of George HW Bush decided to reverse the assault, denying Iraq any supremacy over US allies in the Gulf, above all Saudi Arabia, where Mr Freeman happened to then be serving. Yet Mr Bush could not persuasively justify his decision to deploy American soldiers on the grounds of defending US national interests – for no one wanted to shed blood for oil – so he explained that the US was establishing a “new world order”. As we might recall, that only lasted until the old order returned when the US looked the other way as the Baathists crushed the Shiite and Kurdish uprisings.

That textbook illustration of realistic amorality came just before the arrival of the Clinton administration, which presided over a substantial change in the vernacular of international relations. The new American president was no liberal internationalist, and in places such as Rwanda, Iraq, and Afghanistan, Bill Clinton showed that he could be as craven or indifferent as the realists. However, there were two wars that the president, for domestic reasons, could not avoid, those in Bosnia and Kosovo; and in order to validate American involvement in them, Mr Clinton had to publicly embrace principles of humanitarian intervention.

This time, the principles stuck better. Success in the Balkans, but also the lingering guilt over the apathy in Rwanda, showed that more aggressive humanitarianism could pay off. The subsequent trial of the Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic, seemed a further nail in the realist coffin. Leaders could now be held accountable for domestic abuses, laying a new, if shifting, foundation for international legal standards of behaviour.

With George W Bush, this trend continued, albeit haphazardly, particularly in the Middle East. His administration removed Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, ending the most sinister of dictatorships and installing a pluralist order on its ruins. In Lebanon, the US played an essential role in sponsoring the first United Nations investigation ever of a political murder, when the Security Council set up a commission in 2005 to look into the assassination of Rafiq Hariri. And when hundreds of thousands of people occupied the heart of Beirut for weeks, demanding a Syrian withdrawal, Mr Bush did not urge the authorities to clear Martyrs Square because this impaired the normal functions of government.

Mr Bush’s detractors accused him of duplicity, but they missed the point. It has become increasingly difficult for leaders of Western democracies to avoid mentioning human rights and democracy in rationalising their overseas behaviour. Political realism will not die. States won’t suddenly become moral Leviathans. However, the stripped down realism of a Mr Freeman, without an ounce of human sympathy or humour, is a thing of the past – as he himself, and much to our relief, has become.

Michael Young is the opinion editor of The Daily Star in Lebanon

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http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090319/OPINION/548101536/1080

Chas Freeman "petitions" the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan !

From Commentary Magazine's "Contentions" Weblog:
March 23, 2009

Thank Goodness for the Obama Administration’s Thorough Vetting Process

By Ted R. Bromund

I had dinner last week with a former student who worked for Obama’s campaign and now, like millions of others, is in town to try to land an administration job. His complaint was that the administration’s vetting procedures were so thorough that they were slowing him up, a complaint that made me choke on the excellent Pomerol we’d ordered.

I thought of his complaint again today, when a friend pointed out an interesting item in the February 26, 2009, New York Review of Books: a petition calling on the U.S. to withdraw immediately and totally from Afghanistan. One signatory, predictably, was Norman Finkelstein. Another, equally predictably, was Chas Freeman. That petition was published weeks before Freeman’s name was put forward as the arbiter of U.S. intelligence assessments. Now, naturally, it would never for a moment compromise Freeman’s objectivity that his self-declared political opinions are wildly at odds with those of the administration he sought to join. Nor is there anything even slightly unseemly about a candidate for such a position publicly stating preferences that would immediately put him at partisan odds with the President. Nor, of course, need we wonder at the fact that Freeman found himself politically at home with a conspiracy theorist like Finkelstein.

But I do have to wonder about those vetting procedures. Freeman wanted the job, but it seems unlikely that he informed the administration of his publicly-expressed views. And amazingly, no one in the administration noticed them. The press doesn’t get a pass here: it’s astonishing that this publicly-available petition wasn’t immediately brought up as a reason why he was profoundly unsuited for the intelligence job.

Of course, all that may be too generous. Perhaps it’s not true that no one in the administration noticed his views about their policy. Perhaps, instead, they noticed and didn’t care. In that case, we have to ask not about the competence of their vetting process, but about the sincerity of their commitment to the war in Afghanistan.

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Powerful statement. This man

Powerful statement. This man has more character, more class, than all the Israel-first advocates who falsely impugned him combined.

The utter hypocrisy of those who smeared him as an "advocate rather than analyst", when they are in fact the advocates - for Israel, their raison d'etre - is almost too much to fathom.

Where is Obama on this?

It's been a long time since Obama made his points about the plight of the Palestinians, back in his Chicago days. A long, long time...

Boo f----ing hoo

Chas, Chas, Chas.

It's all the Israeli lobby's fault, eh?

So we can now add "delusional" to your other characteristics -- unctuous, totalitarian, and egomaniacal.

First Rule of Fight Club

There is no Fight Club.

Or of the Israeli Lobby? There is no Israeli Lobby.

Good Riddance

It seem's that Freeman's swan song can be boiled down to the most base and vile epithet the so-called "progressive left" is capable of muttering when it concerns the Middle East...It's the Jooooos!!!!

Oh brother

As is common with those who grew up near power-lines, the notion that there are some elected officials who believe the U.S. and Israel share 100% of interests is a bit hard to swallow. And yet, when Chuck "Where's the Camera?" Shumer boasts that Freeman gave the wrong answer on Israel - we can't point it out.

What's interesting is that

What's interesting is that anyone who knows or has worked with Chas Freeman is a supporter. Only those with an agenda that he scares or who read the cr*p they've fed the blogosphere are opposed. Sure, this grandfather of conservative Jews is an anti-semite. This person who dares to say: "hey, why are we letting other countries play poker with all our chips" is traitorous. Or says: if we really care about human rights in another country we have to define what we really are prepared to do about it, other than just quack about it to one another, is somehow inhuman.

Go ahead morons, crow all you want. When we get a boring, bland, politically correct person to spoonfeed the President with the pablum du jour, I'm sure we'll all be safer.

This narrows our options

Aspersions of antisemitism in casting blame would seem would perhaps seem more accurate were, say, classic pro-Israel (Right or Wrong) politicians not quite clearly tooting their own horn regarding having torpedoed the nomination.

I have no objections to listening to opinions worldwide regarding options, which includes perforce listening to civil and government opinions within Israel.

However, allowing a foreign power unilateral veto power over our foreign policy options, not merely to dissuade us from taking an action they feel unwise, but to prevent any plan they are uncomfortable with being presented as an option?

This would seem to be a special veto we have ceded to Israel. I cannot imagine those that believe this to be a wise thing similarly celebrating any other foreign power having this kind of control over our foreign policy.

Jonnan

Just great

Of course this is the Israel lobby--they admit it themselves. After 8 years of Bush appointing nitwits and nobodies (Gonzoles? Brownie?), it's a real shame that Obama can't get his man in such an important position.

Regrettable occurrence

Amb. Freeman's withdrawal from the NIC position is a regrettable loss of informed and insightful perspectives that would have been of great service to the highest echelons of U.S. government.

87 dissidents

No mention of the 87 signatories to his appointment by many noted Chinese dissidents, some who survived Tiananmen. Doesn't quite fit easily into his narrative now does it? Ignore the Chinese dissidents and blame it all on the jews.
Now if you are going to say that it was the jewish lobby and the chinese dissidents had nothing to do with his resigning, well then that itself is a pity. Let me mention the caliber of these 87 signatories one notable example: Dan Wang, Visiting Fellow at St. Antony's College of Oxford University, UK (He was no. 1 of the 21 student leaders on the Chinese government's "wanted list" after the 1989 Tiananmen massacre. He spent 4 years in Chinese jail.)

I am sure this guy is in thrall of the jewish lobby, right?

Freeman turned himself into a lightning rod and got struck by lightning. Surprise, surprise.

Tiananmen critics

Were responding to a partial e-mail taken out of its proper context used as red herring by the true opponents of Amb. Freeman. They were dupes in this one.

I prefered the first version-

I prefered the first version- Mein Kemp.

Incredible

After reading that letter, it is amazing to me that such a person who thinks that a foreign government lobby has complete cotrol over US foreign policy was ever considered for an intelligence position. Anyone with a modicum of "intelligence" can descern that the very effort to paint the israeli lobby as some sort of foreign government agent intent on affecting American foreign policy is exactly the purpose of the anti-Isreali lobby. I accept his resignation with relief but now demand the resignation of the person who nominated him; Admiral Blair.

The Israel Lobby

It is unfortunate that Mr. Freeman chose openly to use the Lobby formulation at this moment, but it is also impossible to deny that it exists. And you plainly misstate his position on it when you say that he "thinks that a foreign government lobby has complete cotrol over US foreign policy." He makes no such claim, and the statement is right here for all to see that that is the case.

I do commend you for having the intellectual integrity however, unlike any of those who actually had an effect in driving Mr. Freeman from the public square, to recognize that if these problems were disqualifying for the appointee, then they must surely be equally so for the man who chose him from among all the other options. It's not right that those demanding his withdrawal were never forced to answer to that inconsistency.

I beg to differ

Quote: "The aim of this Lobby is control of the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the substitution of political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion of any and all options for decision by Americans and our government other than those that it favors."

If that doesn't imply that a foreign government lobby has complete control over US foreign policy, then my reading comprehension must not be as good as I thought. I have heard paranoid statements like this from conspiracy theorists but I never expected to hear it from someone in line for one of the highest intelligence positions in government. The statement is not even subtle or nuanced and subject to interpretation. It's right out of the Guardian in the UK or the Arab press in the Middle East. Ahmedinejad could not have put it better.

You're right

"If that doesn't imply that a foreign government lobby has complete control over US foreign policy, then my reading comprehension must not be as good as I thought."

You're right - your comprehension skills are poor. A lobby need not be an official extension of a sitting government. A number of people and groups lobbying on behalf of India got made sure that Richard Holbrooke's South Asian duties did not include India or the Kashmir dispute. When this was observed and commented on - nobody said squat, because it was obvious to everyone. But, when pointing out the obvious with regards to Israel, suddenly it is considered bad taste to point it out.

Bleet on

You can bleet all you want but nobody with such obvious delusions - some of which you seem to share - deserves to write opinion columns let alone occupy one of the highest intelligence positions in government. And if he had written such a letter before he was selected, he would have been history long ago.

Some ideas are verboten I guess

The actual lobbying is fine - it is a constitutionally protected activity. The idea that you cannot discuss the harmfulness of such lobbying is new. Maybe they should hold seminars for the NRA and AARP.

Good man left stranded

Anyone who knows Freeman or bothers to actually read what he has written on Tiananmen, on the Middle East, on national security policy, understands that he is not only a person of great integrity, but also a man of intellectual vigor and courage. He is neither an anti-Semite nor anti-Israel. He is first and foremost a contrarian. He is precisely the kind of person who would have made a superb NIC Chairman. The country is weaker for his withdrawal, and the Obama Administration has been deprived of an honest and incisive mind. What a shame.

Outside the box.

From my perspective ( Australia ) this speaks volumes as to who America serves, am I wrong in that you have Jewish holidays recognized and taken by your senate. I understand that the Jewish pop in the USA is .8% of the total. You have dual citizenship are they Jews or Americans? No I have witnessed to much not to see the truth maybe I am perspicacious for the truth is self evident.
This is pathetic.

American Jews do not equal

American Jews do not equal Israelis, and the Israel Lobby is not just a Jewish lobby. Christian Zionists are as electorally important (because, if you look at the numbers, Jewish votes in NY and FL will ALWAYS vote Democratic, but evangenlical turnout can be important.) JStreet (an lefty alternate to AIPAC) recently did a study that found that fewer than 50% of the American Jewish population supports AIPAC's agenda. Don't conflate the American Jewish population with the AIPAC base; they're not the same.

That's a bit much!

I naturally sympathize with Mr. Freeman but the tone of this message is a little over the top. I think he wrote it in anger and didn't mean to come across so, errmmm, for lack of a better word, paranoid.

Thats a bit much?

Mr. Freemans statement is hardly over the top. As is usual with him it is straightforward and honest. I can't find anything about his statement that is over the top.

America loses again

Why not just move the White House and Capitol building to Tel Aviv and get it over with?

I envision a day when the interests of Israel take a backseat to the interests of the United States and its citizens rather than the reverse, as has been the case for the last sixty years.

Maybe one day Washington politicians will muster up the courage to put America First and tell the Israelis that their days of stage-managing the US Government are over. I'm extremely saddened to see Mr Freeman withdraw from consideration, there were millions of people in the United States and across the globe who were hoping that he would be appointed to the head the NIC.

This entire episode is de facto evidence of course that the "non-existent" Israeli lobby does exist and in fact calls the shots. It also illustrates the cowardice and dishonesty of American politicians who should be, but are not looking after the interests of the United States as their ultimate priority.

Sorry we have come to this

This matter of Mr. Freeman's appointment and withdrawing from the NIC has opened my eyes to how dangerous AIPAC and its supporters have become. The Israel lobby has far too much influence in our government but I believe incidents such as this one are alerting Americans to the degree to which our foreign policy has been hijacked by a foreign power. I can imagine how we would feel if China or Taiwan or any other foreign government had veto power over a US president's staff or policy. We've got to stop this dangerous outsourcing of our Middle East policy.

We can't afford to waste any more Chas Freemans.

this is really rich, I must

this is really rich, I must say.

A man who:

-was on the payroll of the Saudi and Chinese governments
-who justified the Tianamen Sq massacre
-justifies Chinese efforts to take control of Taiwan
-called the Tibet rebellion a `race riot'

has the temerity to blame the nebulous `Israeli Lobby' for - his VOLUNTARY WITHDRAWAL from the post.

rich.

This is really rich

No one believes these lies anymore and the only question that remains is why the distributors of these willful lies are spreading them? Anyone who takes the time to look into these statements, as I did, quickly see that they are lies. So are you spreading them because you are too lazy to seek the truth or do you just want to try to silence someone you don't agree with? I think I know the answer - and you will not succeed in the long term.

OK, instead of assertion put

OK, instead of assertion put them into context. For example here he is talking about Mao: "Mao Zedong had a force and energy which none but men of equally great spiritual conviction could withstand. His animal appetites, we now know, matched his intellectual vigor. He was an object of adulation to his subjects and of mingled admiration and dread to his subordinates and intimates. While Mao lived, the brilliance of his personality illuminated the farthest corners of his country and inspired many would-be revolutionaries and romantics beyond it.

Few indeed loved Chairman Mao's style of governance, but all but a few of those who despised it most loved the People's Republic he had founded more and hated him less than they feared him."

Go ahead, put this in context. And before you claim it is descriptive, Mao did not possess intellectual vigor, and while he was charismatic did not possess such a brilliant personality. What there was was manufactured by the party machinery, akin to what we see in North Korea, and no one says Kim Il Jung has a brilliant personality. This article looks like it could have been drafted by the Chinese Communist party. And most importantly, whatever caused him to say this. I lived in China for 7 years and never came close to uttering such dreck whenever I spoke with other Chinese people.

Go ahead, put them in context.

sorry, what statements are

sorry, what statements are `lies'?

that Freeman worked for a national Chinese oil company?
his characterizations of the Tiananmen Sq massacre or the Tibet rebellion? His receiving money from the Saudi state?

which ones? Just because Glen Greenward or someone tells you to think something, do you go head and think it?

Are you just spreading lies now about `israel lobbies' when there were wide concerns about Freeman?

Whatever

What do you say to those men who are on the payroll of Tel Aving, who justify the massacres of Gazans, justifies Israel expansion in the West Bank, and calls the targeting of school children "accidents"?

Sorry, I can't hear you over all those crickets chirping.

*What do you say to those men

*What do you say to those men who are on the payroll of Tel Aving, who justify the massacres of Gazans, justifies Israel expansion in the West Bank, and calls the targeting of school children "accidents"?

and what do you say to those - like `chas' Freemen - who justify the masscare of Chinese students, Tibetan protestors, all the ignomimy of the Saudi government, the attempt to crush Taiwan - all the while being on the payroll of the Saudis and Chinese?

sorry, it must be crickets chirping.

KXB

Does your defense of Taiwan rhetoric also apply to Israel? After all, they are one of China's top defense suppliers - weapon systems which are used to target Taiwan, an American ally. Funny how our "closest ally" Israel undertakes actions which threaten our ally Taiwan. Even Dubya levied sanctions on Israeli companies that sold weapons to China. I guess writing about China/Taiwan carries far more professional cost than actually selling the weapons.

Oh dear

Its interesting to note the hysterical tone so many Israel firsters use on the internet. Rush Limbaugh rhetorics, lack of argumentation, declarative sentences without sourcing of claims and swarms of anonymous bloggers. The republican armchair brigade seems to refuse to accept that their perception of reality must be contrasted with other perceptions. They quite simply do not understand the concept of decisions reached though inteligent pro and contra views. To them, anyone who thinks differently than them is the enemy. Its disturbing to see that the friends of Cheney still have the power to force the president of the United States to his knees.

It was all the fault of the Jews

This was the fault of the Jewish Lobby, you know, the same ones who control International Banking, the Media, Hollywood, etc. Seriously, Freeman's classless statement proves why he was absolutely the wrong person for the job. His parting shot sounds like it was written by Billy Mckinney, the "gentleman" who blamed his daughter Cynthia's electoral loss on the j-e-w-s.
And I just love how Chas. "they should have killed the protesters at Tianenmen faster" Freeman claims he was libelled. Oh really Chas? So you weren't part of an organization that accepted over $1 million dollars in Saudi money? So you didn't make statements to the effect that Hamas and Hezbollah weren't terrorist organizations? So you didn't refer to the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyaha, as a "right-wing yahoo"? So you haven't implied that the 9-11 attacks were the fault of the United States? So you didn't tell the Chinese they should have responded with more brutality to the Tianenmen protesters, whom you implied were committing treason?
And I just love how the Saudi money is no longer an issue with the left in this country. During the Bush administration, we had Michael Moore making outrageous, and, what a surprise, false accusations concerning the administration's connections to Saudi Arabia. We had Craig Unger writing "House of Bush, House of Saud", and we had various left-wing nuts (but I repeat myself)including wouldn't you know, Chas Freeman, implying, or even stating explicitly that the Taliban was justified in its attacks because of the US chumminess with Saudi Arabia. Now all of a sudden, when a chance to slander the jews presents itself, the Saudi connection is conveniently forgotten and Israel is blamed for libelling a man whose words are all documented and readily accessible. If Charles Manson were to come out against Israel, half of the left would claim he is a political prisoner and demand his release.

I have read what this man has written on Israel, China, Hezbollah, Hamas, 9-11 and Saudi Arabia. He is no man of integrity, rather he is a person who has no qualms with praising and palling around with the most brutal murderers in the world. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

"I do not believe it is

"I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be. Such folk, whether they represent a veterans' "Bonus Army" or a "student uprising" on behalf of "the goddess of democracy" should expect to be displaced with despatch from the ground they occupy. I cannot conceive of any American government behaving with the ill-conceived restraint that the Zhao Ziyang administration did in China, allowing students to occupy zones that are the equivalent of the Washington National Mall and Times Square, combined. while shutting down much of the Chinese government's normal operations. I thus share the hope of the majority in China that no Chinese government will repeat the mistakes of Zhao Ziyang's dilatory tactics of appeasement in dealing with domestic protesters in China."

The above quote was allegedly written by Chas. Freeman. I say allegedly because we all know that the Jews either clandestinely changed it after he wrote it or they wrote it themselves and put his name to it.

And the following about Hamas and Hezbollah wasn't actually said by Freeman, rather it was a Mossad double who was particularly skilled at imitating Freeman:

"I'm a very practical man, and my concern is simply this: that there are movements, like Hamas, like Hezbollah, that in recent decades have not done anything against the United States or Americans, even though the United States supports their enemy, Israel. By openly stating and taking action to make them—to declare that we are their enemy, we invite them to extend their operations in the United States or against Americans abroad. There's an old adage which says you should pick your friends carefully. I would add: you should be even more careful when designating your enemies, lest they act in that manner"

Indeed, the United States has no business condemning organizations who vaporize innocent civilians in pizza parlors, launch rockets at kindergartens and advocate for the institution of Sharia; how dare we condemn them. We should be condemning the Israelis, because if Hamas decides to target the US, it would be our fault because we sided with the only democracy in the region rather than a death-cult that wants to take us back to the dark ages. As for them not doing anything recently to the United States, the attack on the Khobar Towers happened long enough ago, in 1996, that the word recent probably doesn't apply, does it?

And I believe the following statement on 9/11 to be evidence of an absolutely brilliant analytical mind. What is it they say about brevity? Here it is:
"What 9/11 showed is that if we bomb people, they bomb back." .

Exactly Chas. 9/11 was the fault, at least partly, of the US. Good thing Bush warned the Jews before he had the CIA plant the charges that brought down the Twin Towers.

How dare we smear Chas Freeman, man of integrity? He has more integrity in his little finger than most other anti-semites have in their whole bodies. How dare we question the millions of dollars funneled to the MEPC by the Saudis when he ran that particular organization? The JEWS cannot be allowed to get away with their slander.

lol

Why is it that you Israel friendly types are unable to critiscise anybody without using the term anti-semite? Im a leftist but also a rabid anti-racist, over here in Europe we actually fought nazi skins in the streets when I was younger, and your use of the term anti-semite for one who disagreews with Israeli policy is just plain stupid. It also destroys your other arguments.

Freeman is openly hostile to israel!

It is obvious that Freeman is hostile to Israel. Is a biased person the best choice to judge and interpret intelligence?
Also he strongly supports the reactionary Saudi government. He said:"In the case of Saudi Arabia, reform has always come from the top down. It has been the ruling family that has sought to liberalize society and to open it up." And he was a board member of the American Iranian Council, a lobby for the Iranian interests.
And here is what he wrote on the Tiananmen square massacre:"I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be. Such folk, whether they represent a veterans' 'Bonus Army' or a 'student uprising' on behalf of 'the goddess of democracy' should expect to be displaced with despatch [sic] from the ground they occupy."

Same old same old

For what it's worth, I'd like to add my agreement with Freeman's statement. It's a sad day when a foreign country (and such a tiny and economically insignificant one at that) holds such gigantic influence within the US government.

And it's really pathetic to see all the comments here accusing anyone who brings up the Israel lobby of Anti-Semitism. This is so typical and worn-out it is politically bankrupt to all but those spewing it and the completely uninformed. There is a distinct difference between criticism of the State of Israel and racial discrimination against those of Jewish descent. Any who state or imply otherwise are disingenuous in that they are postulating that Israel's behavior represents the political views of all Jews (plenty of Jews do not support the country's activities).

As for the commenter above who called the Israel lobby in the US "nebulous," what do you think AIPAC is? Which interests do they openly admit to represent? Do they lobby for gun control? Abortion rights? Bunny rabbits?

Put this in context

I am still waiting for some Freeman supporter to defend his statements about China:

For example here he is talking about Mao: "Mao Zedong had a force and energy which none but men of equally great spiritual conviction could withstand. His animal appetites, we now know, matched his intellectual vigor. He was an object of adulation to his subjects and of mingled admiration and dread to his subordinates and intimates. While Mao lived, the brilliance of his personality illuminated the farthest corners of his country and inspired many would-be revolutionaries and romantics beyond it.

Few indeed loved Chairman Mao's style of governance, but all but a few of those who despised it most loved the People's Republic he had founded more and hated him less than they feared him."

Go ahead, put this in context. And before you claim it is descriptive, Mao did not possess intellectual vigor, and while he was charismatic did not possess such a brilliant personality. What there was was manufactured by the party machinery, akin to what we see in North Korea, and no one says Kim Il Jung has a brilliant personality. This article looks like it could have been drafted by the Chinese Communist party. And most importantly, whatever caused him to say this. I lived in China for 7 years and never came close to uttering such dreck whenever I spoke with other Chinese people.

It is a sad day when a man like Freeman, who is in thrall of third world dictators, could even be considered for a posting.

Congratulations on not

Congratulations on not addressing anything I discussed in my comment.